I’ve got nothing to gain from keeping you on the list. Ill get info on your next two events and if there are no concerns raised in the results thread by people who attend them then I’ll take you off. I think that’s a fair deal.
Yo, this is DancingFighterG. Ok, I’ll play. Here are my next two events:
Cutthroat Ranbat 5 - SuperCon Regional Qualifier
Website: http://www.coloradocutthroat.com/CutthroatRanbat5.php
Thread: http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=228036&p=8573585
Cutthroat Pinball Event:
http://www.coloradocutthroat.com/CutthroatPinball.php
So I’m assuming that once this is done then my name will be taken off both this list for TZ and this site as well right since you control both threads correct?
Also, I’m assuming that you will be taking input from those people who actually attend the event and not people that want to simply try their best effort to slander Colorado Cutthroat correct? You will be able to find results for the event on our forums. Again, just make sure everything so I know that the process for having someone or taking someone of a list is clear to everyone so we don’t have this problem again.
Chiming in as both a TO and player - DFG, your attitude isn’t terrible, but you seem a bit defensive. Since you know that some things may have gone awry in your previous tournaments, I think you should expect a certain level of aloofness, skepticism, and reluctance to accept you back into the proverbial fold, and you should treat the situation as such. Just my two cents.
Yo, this is DancingFighterG. Shiryu22, if I come off a little defensive it’s definitly not my intent. I simply want everyone to understand the process, justifications and implications of putting someone on a list that tells everyone that they are doing something illegal or shady. It’s slanderous and from a company standpoint illegal to do in some cases. I want everyone to be aware of what needs to happen to get off a crazy list so that other people who are accused of something that they did not do don’t have to go through this. It’s simply not right to accuse someone of something without any proof other than the complaints of some people. Saying that an event wasn’t everything that they wanted and accusing them of steal is totally two different things. Hopefully we can get this situation handled as I really don’t do this for me I do this my community because I know that this effects the Colorado scene a little by me being on this list. I understand the position that I hold in Colorado so I except it. Cutthroat would operate and pull in numbers as always so the list is a small thing but my players deserve better and if I can do what I can to calm this situation I will for my community.
Once this is done your name will be taken off this list. But I don’t control the one on TZ. But I will send a PM to the person who does and give them the new list and that they should remove your name.
Yo Bison it’s Jon. Me and my friends have found a couple of spots where we could set up the event. I still would like your experienced advice to help make this gathering as great as it can be. Your inbox was full again so I wrote this down here. Hit me back when you can, thanks again.
Yo, this is DancingFighterG. Hey Bisonopolis, I want to send you something. Is your mailbox empty or can I just send you an email.
my mailbox isnt full anymore.
Yo, this is DancingFighterG. Oh ok, I sent you a message on TZ
I have to personally object to DancingFighterG being considered for removal at this time. While yes, he claims to have apparently run 19 successful tournaments since the events at SuperCon 2009 which got him added to this list; the transgressions committed have yet to be forgotten, or owned up to. DancingFighterG has been a member of the fighting game community for many years, and has been a tournament organizer for just as long. Reviewing the history of DFG, after the fact, it appears that he has a long history of ripping off his attendees to the point where the ExtraFreshLeague of Colorado was founded for the SOLE purpose of being a league without DFG. Over recent years, attendance in the EFL has grown, while attending of DFG’s Colorado Cutthroat league has waned; most likely due to the locals being upset over his actions. While yes, a single mistake at SuperCon could be easily fixed in following years; SuperCon was not the first mistake. He has a long history of ripping off his attendees and SuperCon was just the final straw. If after 8 years, DFG still can’t fix his methodology, how can anyone expect him to fix them now?
My biggest objection is that these 19 “successful” tournaments are pale in comparison to an event as large as SuperCon. Ripping off your attendees in a low attendance bi-weekly event with low pot can hardly compare to ripping off both the Super Turbo community and the Soulcalibur community at last year’s SuperCon. Thousands of dollars are still missing, and no one at NVGA, Colorado Cutthroat or DancingFighterG have owned up to it. In addition to THOUSANDS of dollars missing from the final pot for Soulcalibur (money given directly from the community and it’s members), the check given to the player who got second at SuperCon last year for Soulcalibur bounced; and I don’t have a way to get in contact with him to find out if it was ever taken care of. DFG claimed the check bounced because the Soulcalibur community’s money had yet to be put into his bank account; meanwhile we had given him the money MONTHS before hand. The person who got first, had to wait months before he got paid; and even then it was only after significant pressure placed on DFG by the Soulcalibur community.
The Soulcalibur community has never received the financials which were promised to us, and we have never received bracketed results for SuperCon (most likely because DFG does not want us to see how many people he let pay into the National tournament; money which was pocketed instead of going to the pot). DFG is clearly working on a “out of sight, out of mind” mentality when it comes to last year’s SuperCon and the years of transgressions before hand he had brought upon the Colorado community. He is clearly hoping that in time we will forget about what he’s done; as it has worked for him before. The ExtraFreshLeague had been boycotting DFG for years, but they were trying to “bury the hatchet” with him last year by teaming up with him for SuperCon. After last year, they are once again boycotting DFG. As administrator of 8WayRun.Com, the main hub for Soulcalibur; this has to be my stance on the matter concerning Gregory Richardson, CEO/Director of Operations for Colorado Cutthroat and co-founder of the National Video Game Association.
I am not trying to derail this thread into a shit fest like the TZ and 8way run threads have turned into, actually thinking about it, every time there is a response from DFG the thread blows up. Hmm. Well anyways, I always want to respond to things said in threads on the other sites but, I don’t have accounts there and most of the time it really isn’t worth it. I just want to get a few things clear for DFG and anyone in the community that is interested in this situation.
DFG:
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In order for something to be considered slander, a claim would have to be a rumor or outright deflamtion of your character or your companies character. There isn’t anything false about things being said (tournaments ran poorly in the past, incorrect amounts of money given to players) about either. I really wish we had the posts you made on coloradofusion.net. I imagine they would go over well in this situation.
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Just because some one posts on EF (extrafresh), does not mean that they speak for the league itself, as much as you like to believe. There were a few founders present for when this league was put together and there are way less than that now who actually organize events/run the league. Pretty much if it wasn’t SlickVic, Hydro or myself saying it, it was not the “league’s” opinion since we would be the ones TO actually speak for the “organization”. There are a lot of people that dislike you as an organizer and are vocal about it but, that is THEIR opinion (Fallingedge, Logos, True Tech, KLT, Skillzilla to name a few), don’t associate individuals with a 50 or 60 man group. Most of which could give two shits about who you are and what you are doing. If Montoya was speaking about this situation, I would not take him as the represenative of your local company/organization, please forward the EFL the same courtesy. You know we can’t control people or what they post but, we do try to set a decent example. I have made numerous threads in the past on both of our local sites saying just to leave this situation/you/your company alone. I am blunt about the situation but, the point still remains. Yes, in that thread there are some salty posts (to be expected) but, there are a lot of positive community posts as well.
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Stop comparing our two “products”. We aren’t in a competition to run tournaments. We aren’t even in the same fundamental ideals to try comparing us. Our non-profit “organization” is a bunch of players that just want to run the best fighting game only tournaments that we can. It is really annoying you are comparing your company to what we are doing.
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Stop blowing up our Colorado thread here on srk,in the Southwest discussions section, with your events. That shit is ridiculous. Its like one long C3T/NVGA commercial in there.
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Just because someone questions you or what you are doing DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE HURTING THE COMMUNITY. Using that reasoning is so counter productive to any advances you COULD make in your organzation. DFG, criticism is an effective and necessary tool for helping your organization to grow and become better. If you take it for what it is, sometimes even if its personal attacks, you could possibly gain from the information they are trying to relay. If you get 7 years worth of “your tournaments always start late.” and “why is there money issues again?”, maybe it’s time to evaluate how you are running events.
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Not sure if you would want to or not BUT, awhile back you mentioned that you were banned from EF by our admins. This is not true, our site is on a community moderation system. If they like you post they can positive rep it and get it a special font/whatnot. If they dislike the the thread, they can negative rep it and after so many the thread is locked so an actual admin can look at it. When you posted all that while back, people of the community simply casted enough negative votes until your thread came up for review. Just so you know.
Jaxel:
You are partially correct in saying that the EFL was started on the premise to NOT have to deal with DFG to run fighting game tournaments. It was not the sole reason though. The other half stemmed from a previous event that was poorly run and at the end of the day, it was the fighting game players (minus smash) that got the shaft because they weren’t as nearly as important as the cash cows…I mean Halo/Smash players. :rolleyes: But, yeah, we got started to a. Build a STRONGER community and b. to have the BEST fighting game only tournaments in the state. Also, thank you for posting because I usually agree with most of everything you have to say on this subject, making it not necassary to post :wgrin:
OK and now for actually speaking on the event in question (supercon), I think these couple of posts give everyone an idea of what happened:
This was speaking on the 2D events (ran by the EFL and had no issues besides the money problem with ST which we were not in control of) and not the SC4 Nationals debacle. The last quote was from the HDR tournament winner.
Katt Williams says people don’t say the same shit about you for no amount of time: “If a mother fucker calls you a crack head for twenty years, bitch you are a smoking crack.”
I tend to agree with everything Katt Williams says.
The NVGA website never had a disclaimer saying the guaranteed pot for Super Turbo was dependent on attendance. This disclaimer was added after the fact in an attempt to save face. At this point, I don’t think there is anything DFG can do… even if he posted a list of expenses. DFG has said many times that he doesn’t have a breakdown of expenses, and doesn’t have receipts. So if he suddenly shows up with all that after almost a year; how can we trust it? There would create a whole bunch of new questions based on the situations…
1 - he has ALWAYS had the information, but refused to show it because he doesn’t care about the community; and is only showing it now because he wants to look better for his upcoming Supercon 2010 event…
2 - he has NEVER had the information, because he doesn’t care enough about the community to keep receipts, and is only now MAKING UP the information because he wants to look better for his upcoming Supercon 2010 event…
Either way, at this point, DFG can’t be trusted no matter which is true. He has burnt his bridges, and yes you can say this is a “witch-hunt” and there is nothing DFG can do to make us happy. But who’s to blame for this? Its not our fault that DFG didn’t give us the financials HE PROMISED US when this shit all started going down. If anyone is at fault for the situation that has been created, it rests on DFG’s laurels. As I said before on the 8WR thread regarding this matter, I am commenting NOTHING on the actual running of the event on event day. I can’t comment on situations like resources, loud music, distance from the airport, or the cost of food, as I wasn’t there. All of my complaints stem from the piss poor planning and management of the event, as well as the misappropriation of funds.
I understand everyone’s issues with DFG and him being taken off the list. But I had to make rules for being taken off of this list and thusly have to abide by them. You guys raise very valid points and there are far too many different people from different places voicing this same opinion for it to be just baseless lies. But like I said. I made this for the community and the community asked for a means of redemption. If he completes the tasks needed to get off the list than I have to take him off.
I understand Bisonopolis, but what I am saying is that just asking for 2 events where “problems” haven’t happened isn’t enough. Someone could easily run a major event with several hundred players and rip them off. Then run 2 small bi-weeklies during the next month and say “hey! we didn’t have any problems at these two bi-weeklies! take me off the list!”. But I guess its fine, since if DFG screws up again (which he will, he has been screwing his communities for 8 years now and shows no sign of remorse or change), he’ll be on the list permanently right?
Praise be to Katt Williams…
Yes exactly. I definitely understand your hesitance with having him taken off. but if he is taken off and then fucks up again then hes on for good.
I’m NEVER going to be on this list… EVER!! damn this the banishment of the entire fighting game community:wow:
Maybe the scope of what this list/topic is for should be changed. Maybe it should just be a list of every time someone has fucked up very badly. Regardless if you cleaned up your act in the future the community should have a resource to know when you’ve made a major mistake in the past to be weary of future events no matter how successful they are.
Wouldn’t the vast majority of promoters be on the list then? Everyone has blips where they screw up; the only people that would be close to perfection at this point would be Ghaleon and fugee with SB, shinblanka for FR, and the Cannons/Wiz. There may be others, but they’re the highest on that totem pole.
“fucked up very badly” is a subjective term. A TO who doesn’t know how to run brackets, is late, doesn’t know how to seed, and generally a less-than-stellar TO is nowhere near the same as a shady “TO” who is ready and willing to scam people.
In most cases, I think that putting TOs on here who aren’t the greatest TOs for whatever reason other than shady operations is outside the scope and purpose of this thread.