Just as long as they play seriously, then it’s fine.
Next bums to do this need the RIOT treatment, two teams did this shit during a LOL tournament, prize money went to 3rd and 4th.
Wow, Flocker really doesn’t think too highly of the collective intelligence of this community. Seriously, if you believe what he’s saying then I’ve got some beach front property that you might be interested in.
Go to the 4 hour, 58 min mark.
How exactly were those players colluding with that match?
is next level even a part of the no colluding tournies? i dont see there name on the list.
anyways, its such a stupid and subjective rule in place, but im sure TO’s are gonna be as fair as they can to allow players to still do what the fuck they want, as THEY DID PAY TO ENTER. so yeah the rules say no colluding or under performing, but dont go off the deep end micro managing how players play or who they should play, which is what is going to happen.
TO’s are gonna overdose on this ruling, forcing good players to HAVE to always pick what the stream monsters know them for, or at the very least every time a good player doesnt want to go to their usual team, its gonna be some turd with a clipboard being like hey, pick your real shit, dont fuck around. ummm, im the one in top 8, not you, please continue side lining like a scrub and not tell me what to do.
as mentioned earlier in some of the more articulate and thought out replies, this is prejudice against top players, leaving low, mid, and great unheard of players to take advantage of any top players fear of getting dq’d because of this new ruling and sticking to their shit only to lose because of it.
i agree that as the fgc pushes forward, players should go with the flow and when they come to an event that is most likely getting streamed, they should seek to put on a good performance for themselves, but also for the TO’s and streamers who get most of their financial support for the stream and travel by ads and viewers.
but i still disagree in a way because its taking the power away from players, and forcing us to HAVE to play a certain way, with certain characters, or sit home stfu, and dont enter the tourney. like what if i came to the tourney to just have some fun and fuck around with some new characters i have been toying with that week. so i may drop some combos, or miss some setups, but is that going to automatically get me disqualified because im under performing. if people dont see how stupid that is, then the fgc isnt progressing as much as people want to think it is.
if yipes pulls out his pocket doom, but doesnt play it as well as other dooms, is he under performing and going to get disqualified, or do we act like normal people and go, oh well, he pulled out that doom and got bopped.
we have seen some poor examples of pot splitting on stream and under performing, but they amount to like 1 percent of all the great shit we have seen on streams. for all the hate chris g has gotten, hes provided nothing but stellar performances since he came to the light, and especially in the mvc3 series and sf4 series.
LETS PLEASE NOT SIT HERE AND ACT LIKE NIGGAS AINT EATING OFF PLAYERS FREE OF CHARGE. all streamers should be happy they have gotten as much great content out of players free of fucking charge, and not just harp on the times where people just feel like fucking around in top 8 or grand finals. so spooky spazing on chris g and sanford. nigga fall back. those two players have been helping to “feed” team spooky for years now. people tune in every week for not just those two, but definitely to see them also, and they dont get a part of your advertising money.
only reason anyone in the fgc is eating on this stream shit is because companies are letting motherfuckers. if capcom said, dont stream any of my shit again, its a wrap. lol. but i digress, the ruling overall is stupid because its going to be easily abused by players who LOOOOOVE TO SNITCH, and its just vague and shitty in general.
i cant wait for all the mid level players who are like hey, chris g is under performing against me, hes playing ryu/akuma/hawkeye, dq him. lool. if you dont actually suck, most good players can play at least a third of the cast of games they focus on, but now we’re going to have people whining like a bunch of 12 year olds everytime justin wong doesnt play rufus, or chris g doesnt play sakura or morrigan/doom/vergil.
i like how all the dick riders are like fuck yeaaah, fuck these guys, before actually having some forethought, or thought in general and realizing how fucking stupid this whole shit is. we’re more and more creating a culture that hates on top players and tries to micro manage their every move.
i do respect spooky not wanting his time wasted, but that whole child stomping act was unnecessary. for all you know their sandbagging matches might have actually been fun, and people wouldve still tuned in, but as you continue putting into a culture that hates fun and top players, youre going to have all the zombie stream monsters being like, YEAAH, FUCK YEAH, FUCK CHRIS G. when in reality they just follow whatever it is you say to them anyways.
all spooky had to do was say, yo, if youre gonna split and not play your mains, make this shit entertaining. if youre just gonna fuck around and play shitty, just go split the pot, im not going to stream that shit. THATS IT. instead he stomped his feet, and puffed his chest for all the stream monsters to go, yo ulllllllll. lol. niggas acting like children and its commended.
what if i told you, sometimes its nice to see players not play their mains, and we get to finally see something new, rather then the same shit we see every week. ~morpheus. lol
I think everyone is taking things a bit far and I said soon as we dropped the rule people would take it a bit far by doing stupid ish
So I will say this:
You can still potsplit
You can still pick a alternative team/character
JUST PLAY TO WIN… you have to understand you’re no longer just in the comfort of your arcade venue where its just you and the other players. You have involved sponsors and media outlets that HAVE sponsors. Show that you’re serious!!! Thats all.
During my time (sorry to sound old and outdated) but potsplitting was all the time. YET we played it just cause. Just to see what wouldve happened… if we didnt WE let it be known there will be no finals. But now that you have a third party included you cant say we won’t play. you have to play. If you pick an alternate… PLAY IT OUT!! If you can take the time out to talk with said person youre breaking bread with… you damn sure can say lets play serious. Though Justin got played by Wolfkrone cause Wolfkrone obviously had other motives, they stilled PLAYED IT OUT and played serious.
Its simple but I don’t see why people are tripping over this. It is just to start taking things seriously since now youre no longer the private little underground thing.
People don’t understand the concept of “Dress up for the job you want not the one you have”, so they wait for the money to start flowing and only then, MAYBE, act and play professionally, instead of doing it the other way around.
Also I agree 100% with what Koop posted above me
what do you actually disagree with in my post? im curious
People don’t appreciate spending the time and money to make a trip to an event where players are only there to mess around and treat matches like they’re at home with their buddies. And that’s only the spectators/players. What about the TOs, who have to set everything up and deal with the headaches of organizing large events? It’s not something just anyone can do and be successful at it. I hear stories about how TOs get their equipment jacked, yet people donate money so that they can re-purchase what they need to continue running events. That doesn’t sound like people who are only in this to mess around and waste everyone’s time.
If people feel like the players are being bullied, then they don’t get it. The problem with such people is a lack of empathy towards the spectators/TOs/commentators/sponsors/other players and not looking at the big picture. If you won’t take your matches at an event seriously, why should anyone looking to support the FGC? I like to think that players don’t travel all over the world just to play casuals.
The rule should be simple, yet people over-analyze its meaning, which tells me that people really don’t know what collusion is. All that’s being said is to play out your matches with 100% effort. Done. Don’t look into it any further than that. If you have to ask “well, can I still use X character,” you’ve already gone too far. It’s a rule that’s enforced in sports and in business, and both seem to function fine with that rule in place. I have no reason to believe that this rule won’t work in our community. Have you ever seen a corrupt boxing match? I don’t want fraudulence to be the norm in the FGC.
God, where to begin. You’re basically assuming that TOs are complete morons and that everyone should be bowing down to the top players and letting them do whatever they want. You also seem to be equating legitimate counter-picking with sandbagging and that’s idiotic.
okay, so you have nothing to say, and you clearly didnt read what i typed, skimmed, and gave up probably half way. im just checking to be sure that that was the case, and i know it is by your useless reply. although unfortunate, it is as expected.
Was bout to completely shit on the turn out then I rememebered they are at a vacation spot and no one has bread like that :lol: .
But lets be honest here… Why the fuck would anyone be so upset that there was pot splitting and trolling after evo happened? It’s like after winning the superbowl, Nigga I’d be in disneyland trying to toss footballs in the unrealistic goalposts they have, fuck I’d probably make a deal with the guy running the stand so I could get the best damn prize for my daughter to have when I walk away from there. I’d be taking it easy till it was in season to get back on track, and I can’t say that it’s not anyone’s time to take it light, even if we are in a year round sport.
Does it really matter if it’s the same shit? As long as it’s good shit, I’ll watch.
So “do what the fuck you want” the entire tourney, not just when you’re in grand finals and then you decide to go with some subpar pocket team you play badly.
They did pay to enter a tourney run by someone else with certain standards. If I pay to enter a Scrabble tournament and want to play using the dictionary or some other cuteness, I’ll be DQ’d. You are paying to enter an event with certain standards. You abide by those, as you do in everything else in life.
Pick that team normally too, then, not just in GF. If it’s your “real” team step up to the TO and explain how it’s real. If it’s not shenanigans then how do you have a problem?
So do that the entire tournament. Your notion is utterly invalid if people only want to do that once they reach Grand Finals or some other “Top 8” level.
So he explains to the TO that he’s serious and maybe why if needed and there’s no problem. People need to stop acting like children and start acting like teenagers.
Those people in turn haven’t gotten exposure and tournament money? Seems like you’re entering a tournament with a known structure and standards. If people don’t like it, they can walk away.
Snitching implies that there is something to snitch about: why even type that?
More money flows into the scene, and people that have demanded more money uncharacteristically badly muff making the finals believable to the outsider.
This shit is stupid, but let’s not pretend that there have not been suspect episodes. Let’s also not pretend that several excellent stories in the past year have been tainted due to subpar and suspect play. If it’s real, clear it with the TO like a grown-ass man.
What if I told you that you don’t need Spooky to stream their casual matches? That he’s trying to stream a tournament, and that other people or the players themselves could “show you something new” on their own time?
No one cares about pot splitting. People bringing that up have not read the new rule. Playing one way the rest of the tournament and then one way in GF - that’s pretty suspect. If you want to be in Disneyland mode, be that way the whole time and let someone else reap the rewards of playing the entire tournament seriously.
And yeah, maybe the TO doesn’t think you playing your random team on their time is awesome, but talk that out and explain like an adult and sort it out. Don’t just expect that all behavior is going to pass without question: people have just been trying to start drama this past year and it’s kinda caught up to all of us in an unfortunate probably needed way. Hopefully it leads to a step forward maturity-wise.
Ok, so you want a point by point evisceration of what you “wrote”? Fine.
I don’t see their name on the list so I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up.
And this is a bridge we’ll cross if we get to it. You do realize that the potential fallout for a TO being really heavy handed with this sort of rule is basically the end of them being a TO, right?
No one is a saying that they can’t pick alternate teams or characters they’re saying that they have to actually put forth a competitive effort. World of difference AND also, even to the layman, very obvious in observation.
OK, so again this is something that’s going to be up to the TO and if (most likely) the top player wins anyway with a troll character or troll team against a lesser player then this becomes a non-issue.
We agree on this. That said I think that we’re still at the point where sponsors not ads are where the support is and if a big sponsor who isn’t necessarily ingrained in the FGC comes along it behooves people to be on their best bahavior (i.e. don’t screw this up) as there’s a big difference between a tournament sponsored by Microsoft and a tournament sponsored by Jim’s Tire Barn.
Way to overreact. I don’t think (and certainly from the article) that anyone is really talking about this outside of top placings, i.e. top players fucks around and loses in pools = no big deal as they’re only hurting themselves. Whereas top player fucks around in top 8 = we have a problem; see also: one of the most egregious examples being ~2 years ago when JWong threw his top 8 match to Noel Brown so that Noel could get more Evo seeding points. That should have resulted in both players being DQed w/out prized or seeding points.
What’s the context? Is he doing this in pools? Grand finals? What? Again if he’s doing this at a stage of the tournament where money isn’t directly on the line then he’s only hurting himself and I don’t see a problem with that. If he’s going for a pocket Doom in the grand finals again context matters. Is he picking Doom to in place of one of his other team shells or is he going for a Dr. Doom/Phoenix Wright/Tron Bonne team?
ChrisG has also provided two of the biggest jokes of a grand finals in recent memory both of which where a big middle finger to the other players and the organizers of the respective events.
This whole thing is a two way street. Streaming has increased the visibility of the events which brings in more sponsors which results in more attendance and more and bigger payouts. It’s a very symbiotic relationship.
If Capcom in this day and age said don’t stream our shit their games would die out in a heartbeat and I hope (unlike say where Nintendo is going with this) that they’re never that dumb. I also don’t see how whether or not Capcom allows there products to be streamed is in away was related to the topic at hand.
You’re repeating yourself. You already gave this example with Yipes and as there I would say here context matters. If a top player is sandbagging or trolling in pools it isn’t an issue as if they win then the result that was expected came to pass whereas if they lost then they only hurt themselves.
Meh, I would say that my hopes is to get the current crop of top players to realize that the sort of behavior that we’re talking about has a real chance of ruining things for everyone. That’s it.
You’re getting awfully angry while stating pretty much all anyone is asking for and this is that they can split if they want but at least put forth an effort when everyone’s watching.
That’s fine but I don’t think we should be seeing random select in the grand finals. Again I’m pretty sure all people want to see is an effort put forth.
Damn…two people going in on jimmy by breaking down the post.
And one being the former “cameraman” of the old FGC… sexy. Well lets watch this dialog unfold.
standards arent rules. its as simple as that. no ones obligated to follow any rule that they didnt sign up for, when that is the case. you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want when you want to unless deemed otherwise by the rules. thats it, and thats the only point ive ever made.
see, i disagree we should start creating a culture where players have to check in with TO’s or judges and be like hey by the way, i might be playing xyz team or character for whatever said reason, so dont dq me thinking im under performing, and who is anyone to judge what you want to do with your tourney experience. a majority of people show up to majors not to win, but to just play, learn some new things, and hang loose. are we going to dq them all for under performing? nope, and its basically only prejudice against known top players.
no shit. i wasnt arguing that. lol. for those obvious cases of colluding or under performing, yeah oh well shit happens. the big question is should we be micro managing players to perform or gtfo. what if i perform great until top 8, then i find out my mother died, and im just like fuck it, imma just play my b tier team and if i win i win, but if i dont i dont, because i just dont have the right state of mind to put in the work for my a tier team. are we to be insensitive and come in and be the thought police telling said person to get the fuck off the stage.
but even outside of that more extreme hypothetical (even though you could simplify it to something as trivial as having a stomach virus or hangover and it still works), why is no one discussing how many grand finals have been one by players not playing their know shit, vs the amount of grand finals of obvious colluding. i dont think anyone wants to put in that work just to find out that many locals and majors have people going to decent secondary teams only to still win, with no colluding or pot splitting involved.
he shouldnt have to is what im for rules wise.
no it doesnt. you cant be that dense, and quite frankly im almost through most of your replies and their redundant as shit, which to me shows that you dont have much to say on the matter at hand, but anyways.
snitching doesnt always imply there was something to snitch about. if a neighbor sees smoke coming out of your bedroom window and you smoking a pipe, calls the cops and says i think my neighbor is getting high on crack, weve had a problem with violent drug addicts around here lately, does that mean shes right. no it fucking doesnt. lol
so just because someone snitches that they think a person is under performing to throw the match for a friend, or to throw the match to work their way through losers to help a friend, or whatever scheme it is, doesnt make it fact, but what it DOES DO, is cause unnecessary tension between players and time wasted by judges who have to then argue with a player as to why they are playing the way they are playing with who they are playing with.
do you really think tourney judges need to now have precious time wasted arguing with players on their playstyles, teams, etc… to try to avoid colluding and under performing? you cant be serious.
there wasnt much to reply to here, but question. do you agree with how spooky reacted to chris g and sanford versus how i proposed he shouldve went about questioning them?
i would say spooky has the right to not want to deal with that shit, as i already addressed in my post if you read it, which i assume you didnt otherwise you wouldnt have typed that first nonsense question. i mean, is that last sentence really serious. are you telling me that even if that balrog vs yang match woulda played out in full, and had some great gameplay and tech for all the viewers at home and at next level to enjoy, they need to get a recorded and record themselves at each others cribs playing that matchup because stream monsters dont deem it worthy. LOL, okay…
get the fuck outta here with that shit
your whole argument is
i should be able to scumbag if i want to, and fuck you for preventing me from doing that
what do you think would happen if suddenly in the superbowl, tom brady decides that he wants to play punter because hes playing football for fun and got to the SB so he can do whatever the fuck he wants
jesus christ man, get a clue. you’re acting like this is in place to persecute people for being sucessful, no its not, it’s being implemented because grand finals is a fucking joke at a good number of majors and it defeats the entire purpose of an event