Tougeki 2012 qualifiers schedule and results

Why not go even further and use round-robin groups in to a triple elimination bracket to prove who is the best once and for all? Why not run the main tournament again and again and again over a week until a team wins it twice in a row so that we know they (seemingly) had more consistent skill than the others? Etc etc etc.

Of course those are extreme examples but that is the point. You seem to think it’s fairer to play longer sets to determine who has longevity when THAT would arguably be ‘unfair’ on a player who has problems concentrating hard for more than several minutes at a time. There is no ‘best’ tournament format, the argument you put forth in that paragraph above is popular but that doesn’t make it objectively true. We all know KO is an amazing player, I’m not sure why he needs to win SBO with a different format to be validated for you.

This totally ignores the point I made about KO being able to organise his own double-elimination tournament if single-elimination bothers him that much.

What would you say if hypothetically at the next five SBOs (presuming they happen) KO’s team is time and time again put in to losers by a team full of legends, then sent home from losers by another team of legends? Should it have been triple-elimination over those events instead to truly prove KO deserved to win? Should teams have played 3/5 sets all that time to eliminate all your doubts?

Single-elimination is just another way of structuring a tournament, it isn’t inherently better or worse than any other format despite what you would like to believe. The “random” and “clutch” aspects are countered perfectly well by it being a team tournament and the fact that he’s entered every single year, so the bottom line is that KO and his team-mates have simply never risen to the job on the day (and they’ve had more than enough years to snatch a victory through ‘luck’). That doesn’t mean the system should be changed just so he can finally win (what if he still doesn’t?). SBO is a harsh tournament system, but that doesn’t make it unfair. Nobody forces KO to participate and nobody stops KO from creating his own tournament if he would prefer a different ruleset instead.

tokura [YA], kokujin [DU], nuki [CH] ○
terunosuke [AL], KZ [GO], OUT [Q] x

chance [MA], hagobou [DU], okaka [KE] ○
YSB [HU], zonex [AL], kaeru [DU] x

umemon [EL], naga [KE], yukiotoko [GO] ○
ebara [HU], AFM [CH], tominaga [MA] x

kitagawa [KE], shikarobin [RE], terubou [YU] ○
roshihikari [YA], RX [UR], sugiyama [NE] x

chinta [KE], kei [CH], shoutarou [MA] ○
RB [UR], kodai [YA], chap [MA] x

boss [YU], kuroda [OR], MOV [CH] ○
excel [MA], higashi [KE], dir [CH] x

mimora [MA], yakkun [YU], uraken [GO] ○
takami [CH], takaoman [RY], yusuke [YU] x

sakurada [AL], zabi [GO], neriume [UR] ○
marko [CH], otana [DU], gunfight [DU] x

higa [IB], raoh [CH], mester [YU] ○
kamii [DU], sei [EL], blue [IB] x

hirochan [OR], chopper [UR], luka [MA] ○
goe [IB], izumi [CH], OJA [YU] x

genki [AL], pierrot [RE], ike [DU] ○
roku [KE], nights [YU], magi [CH] x

momochi [YU], haitani [MA] x
pierre [UR], vanao [RY], match [GO] ○

kazuya [AL], iyan [YA], taihei [UR] x
chako [UR], nisu [KE], mochi [CH] ○

bara [MA], wantaren [YA], matsuda [YU] ○
heboryu [RY], atsushi [IB], hiyama [CH] x

KO [YA], ochibi [YU], rikimaru [CH] ○
asika [UR], rockpon [KE], larry [CH] x

rori [DU], matsushita [IB], kamiide [YU] x
matsuken [KE], flo [YA], tecchi [CH] ○

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tokura [YA], kokujin [DU], nuki [CH] ○
chance [MA], hagobou [DU], okaka [KE] x

umemon [EL], naga [KE], yukiotoko [GO] x
kitagawa [KE], shikarobin [RE], terubou [YU] ○

chinta [KE], kei [CH], shoutarou [MA] x
boss [YU], kuroda [OR], MOV [CH] ○

mimora [MA], yakkun [YU], uraken [GO] ○
sakurada [AL], zabi [GO], neriume [UR] x

higa [IB], raoh [CH], mester [YU] ○
hirochan [OR], chopper [UR], luka [MA] x

genki [AL], pierrot [RE], ike [DU] ○
pierre [UR], vanao [RY], match [GO] x

chako [UR], nisu [KE], mochi [CH] x
bara [MA], wantaren [YA], matsuda [YU] ○

KO [YA], ochibi [YU], rikimaru [CH] ○
matsuken [KE], flo [YA], tecchi [CH] x

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tokura [YA], kokujin [DU], nuki [CH] ○
kitagawa [KE], shikarobin [RE], terubou [YU] x

boss [YU], kuroda [OR], MOV [CH] ○
mimora [MA], yakkun [YU], uraken [GO] x

higa [IB], raoh [CH], mester [YU] x
genki [AL], pierrot [RE], ike [DU] ○

bara [MA], wantaren [YA], matsuda [YU] x
KO [YA], ochibi [YU], rikimaru [CH] ○

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tokura [YA], kokujin [DU], nuki [CH] x
boss [YU], kuroda [OR], MOV [CH] ○

genki [AL], pierrot [RE], ike [DU] ○
KO [YA], ochibi [YU], rikimaru [CH] x

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boss [YU], kuroda [OR], MOV [CH] ○
genki [AL], pierrot [RE], ike [DU] x

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2/3 double elimination is a great format. The 2/3 lets a better player adapt to a random style, and double elimination allows you to avoid being eliminated by someone who completely counters your style or if you made mistakes. Its a good mix between time taken and determining the best player.

However this only shows who is number 1, all other positions are determined by luck at who you played. Can be very easy to get a free ride to high positions. Only round robin accurately ranks each player.

SBO is and will die because of many reasons, one being one game single elimination IS too random. The 3v3 sorts out the one game problem, but there should still be a losers bracket.

But all you 3s heads will blindly side with SBO, beause your still playing 3s so you obviously don’t like change, and that’s fair enough :slight_smile:

Double elim is actually pretty accurate for determining top 2.

It’s funny because nowadays every tournament is round robin + some kind of pools + triple elimination, since we really need the poor pro-ESPORTS-players to be sure that they place high every bloody time. So, can’t you really tolerate SE for a change?

Seriously, double elimination is long, boring, too predictable and definitely not something that belongs to japanese & Tougeki’s tradition… SE determines who is the best on that day (and probably a bit more than that…) and it’s hype as hell, isn’t that good enough?

And don’t get me wrong, I run many DE tournaments. Just I can’t understand why people complains about SE at Tougeki.

Its fuckin 3 on 3. Single elim is fine.

SBO’s problems have nothing to do with the format. 99% of the people who complain about it would do nothing to support SBO either way.

Double Elim/Best of 3 is just as arbitrary a format as single game/single elim. You could make things more accurate with Best of 5, but as you mention, you have to consider time, thus its a compromise. Why MUST SBO make the same compromise as every USA tournament?

At this point, MOV has won SBO 4 times. Doesn’t seem that random to me.

And besides, the last thing I want is 3s @ SBO (if it ever happens again) to more closely resemble the snooze fest that 3s @ EVO was. Single game mitigates the top tier characters a bit.

Everyone who participates in SBO Finals are already tournament winners, so you have to think about that. You have the best players from each region going up against one another in one single tournament. That’s already one hell of a tourn to try and win. Double elimination is just going to make it 10x easier for those consistent Top 4 players to kill everyone and STILL have the grand finals be anything goes.

This is especially true for 3rd Strike events, since it does feel like those top class players have a chance at beating one another on a good day. If they lose, the only excuse they can make is “they just didn’t have it that day”.

Yeah I guess because its SBO tradition it makes it prestigious + single elimination does make it exciting as in a long set a strong Chun li will prob win + there is no money on the line so it doesn’t need to be fair. At this point, its the smallest of SBO’s problems :stuck_out_tongue:

Also this forum is a complete circle jerk of saying likable things and gettings likes, getting like facebook up in here. Not being a dick, its actually kinda sweet.

is it really such a surprise that the small amount of people around who still post here agree on a lot of things?

or at least, don’t want to engage in the same hackneyed 3s arguments

Actually, SBO is one of the FEW tournaments in Japan where money is offered for the winners. A very modest prize, roughly $1000 USD, but it’s way more than most other events in Japan offer(this has more to do with Japanese gambling laws though).

But considering the good relationship between the 3S playerbase and SBO, largely in part thanks to Matsuda-san being part of the SBO committee, it’s one of the few big tournaments the scene has to look forward to. Sure, one can say it’s questionable that one of the guys in charge of SBO keeps pushing to have his favorite game up in a big event like SBO, but the scene is always thankful for him doing this and give back with some of the most memorable moments in the whole event’s history. I can think of more things that happened during the tournament than the actual winners.

Well considering the rest of SRK hates us and 3S players are pretty much the only people that post in gasp the 3S subforum, circle jerking is about all we got. :stuck_out_tongue:

This is hardly anything new though, the old SRK used to have a similar “reputation” system in which guys with the most likes not only got a long green Super bar, but fuckin’ MEDALS. I’m not joking when I’m saying this.

I remember racking up the negative rep for making jokes. Good times.

If it were double elimination, Piccolo might have win Goku, no kidding!

If SBO die, believe me, there will be another big SINGLE elimination tournament to replace it. Because Japan is simply not America :slight_smile:

Half of you don’t even like KO, stop pretending. >:(

nicaKO Ichiban Fan

This is what happens when Kokujin’s joke wasn’t translated. Tokura :lol: :yawn::rofl:

That’s really mean Calico, young people quick to defensive stuff. But you didn’t say what’s wrong with the results this year if there was anything wrong with it. “SBO is and will die” is what? Not for you? Its only held once a year. You probably didn’t care about the results 3 years ago, or 4 or 5 on. Its okay not to like it, but do try to understand why others do enjoy its traditions. Don’t be peer pressured, find out more about it and flesh out your own opinion rather than popular opinion swayed by cash prizes.

Next you’re going to be asking for it to be on SF3:OE, use your own controller, button checks, HUBS, start 8 am… finish after the last train goes home; they provided free towels and ice packs… but no deodorant or shampoo. Kuroda can stay as stinky as he wants!! Fighting game Woodstock with Kuroda. Fuck, time to start saving for next year.

Frieza liked quad triple elimination and even when he lost all that he was so salty he came back with his dad and demanded a MM!

KO is actually one of the most beloved 3S players, and there wouldn’t be such a fuss about his losing streak if he wasn’t.

Incidentally, Kokujin has also never won and is just as loved, but KO has qualified EVERY year. It’s just as mindboggling as Chibita being the God of Virtua Fighter but only managing to win SBO once.

Yeah, I was puzzled with Chibita in results this year just the same. but someone in here did ask directly: “what is the KO curse” I really liked the wikipedia site of winners updated the same day with results, even when they limit and lock out new authors.

Was happy to show that off as one of my bookmarks, even more so when it was updated so quickly for day 1 results to under 80 SF3 fans in there (restream) before a wave of 400+ weirdoes swarmed us.

yuki otoko has qualified every year as well, although I don’t think hes ever made it to GF. probably safe to say his team didn’t stand much of a chance this year :frowning:

what happened to ino? he retired? i like how MOV has to close out every SBO.