UltraDavid:
> Until players play or enjoy the new games in numbers that outweigh the old games, there’s no reason to have the new games in major tournaments.
Actually, there’s definite reasons to have new games in major tournaments, such as if you’re looking for sponsorship.
which is something i guess i should have stated to make myself clear :lol:
I could do without sponsors.
If ppl want thing to run better why not pick a leader for each specific area that he can take care of in his free time w/ help. Or even a FGC President? lol.
A Ranking in each state could work, but some states ranking will be drastically different.
For example: Being the #1 player in Guilty Gear player from florida wouldnt necessarily be an equal rank with another state. There could be a Regional ranking too I guess.
I’m trying to start up something but all I got in my area is smash players. I know its not all smash players but some dont want to play anything else, too hard.
Ranking is impractical when they’re no frequent tournaments everyone can make it to, and also a giant waste of time. MMs/major placings/word of mouth people know who’s good. Fighting games have no objective way to score with people playing dozens of matches against the people you’d want to rank them against. Frankly it’s just nerd numbers shit. Please stop bringing this up.
There are a lot of ways to make rankings happen and make them legitimate. No ranking is ever going to be 100% accurate, but that doesn’t mean they are a waste of time. Even if you don’t care about the rankings, to figure them out you would need to compile a database of all of results of majors, with breakdowns of tournament brackets and the results of every matchup, which someone I know is doing, and it is really interesting and useful.
Documenting results of matchups at legitimate tournaments is great way to help preserve the history of the scene and give tournaments more weight. Things that are documented matter more by the shear fact that they are remembered. It gives them meaning. It can also be useful to people in the future who want to hold tournaments. Want to hold an ST tournament in your area, but don’t know if anyone around there plays? Check the database. What the probable turnout will be for your area in a specific game? Check the database. If you see that your area had a Tekken tournament 4 years ago with 28 players, you could figure that you may be able to get a decent turnout if you advertise well enough and look around. The more information you have, the more options.
I have to agree with Ultra David on this. He was originally pushing the idea that SFIV would just sweep and take things over (at least that’s the idea I got from the 3S discussion threads) but I don’t think it’s going to necessarily replace 3rd Strike or any of the other Capcom games outside of Evo. People aren’t just going to switch gears and go “I’m tired of the old games” when SFIV comes out. 3rd Strike is too damned popular. It’s a comfortable game for people to get into since it’s been dissected so much and is generally not as overwhelming to learn to play as some of the other Capcom fighters. You can get lucky in 3S and of course hardcores will say that sucks but it’s part of what gets people into the game. There’s a lot of so so clutter in the crowd of 3S players but they all have one thing you need to have big turnouts. They all really like the game. No matter the skill level 3S players love their game.
The other fighters still have strong scenes with those that are still playing them and it’s not like they’re going to just poof and dissapear from every major when new Capcom fighters arrive. It’s going to be a slower process and tourney organizers will try to find ways to get games accommodated. Evo is really the only tournament that’s telling the old games to “screw themselves” (had to throw in that personification). 3rd Strike is definitely in the run to have strong turnouts at majors for at least the next couple years and Marvel will definitely still have people turnout as long as someone wants money. Even CVS2 to this day still have proven to have strong enough of a community in certain parts of the US where it’s almost certain that it isn’t just going to die when SFIV hits consoles.
While I understand that Evo has dealt with sponsors in the past, and while I understand their decision to do so for financial reasons, I really don’t like the idea of sponsorship for this exact possibility. If a sponsor doesn’t care which games we play, then awesome, bring on the sponsors. But if this is 2004 and Capcom wants to sponsor Evo on the condition that Evo puts Capcom Fighting Jam in there, from my perspective, I’d say no thanks.
as long as there’s money involved, bring it on! :woot:
Hmm this is interesting becuase honestly the only new fighting game I see making a big wave is sf4, really there is no need to remove all the old games. All sponsors need is sf4, (that is the only fighter coming out anytime soon that matters to the mainstream.) thats big enough. All the other games need to show they can sustain attention.
just my 2 cents.
In that same boat, how are you going to say no thanks to a game that hasn’t really been played or even seen?
I think that sort of sponsorship is a good idea, there just needs to be compromise between the sponsor and the community. For example, Namco and Capcom sponsor a tourney that has T6:BR, 3s, MvC2 and TvC, and then have two new feature games like Super Capcom Brawl and TTT2(names are obviously made up). The initial games have the usual entry fees, and the newer games have lower entry fees so that everyone can enter to try it out. This way, the old schoolers get their classics(3s, Marvel), the more recent games get more exposure(T6BR, TvC), and the new games are exposed in a whole new light. I don’t know about all of you, but if capcom put out a brand new game and hosted a tourney for it that was only two or three dollars, I’d enter it just for the fun of it.
I also believe that the fighting game community needs to decide what direction it’s future will take. Will we keep playing these games for competitive fun or for money? Because if we always go with money, then the only tournies that will be thrown will be for the games that make the most money and not for the ones that people find most enjoyable. I’m sure there’s a way to have both, but I’m not sure what a suitable compromise would be to maximize profits for companies/sponsors and fun for us.
Marvel isn’t going anywhere, the game is still years ahead of its time. I don’t see Marvel being replaced, if there is some new game then people will play it too but Marvel will still hold a place, just like SF2.
Easily. People want to compete in games they know. That’s why tournaments a year after a game is released better represent which players are the best than tournaments a week after the game is released. The reason anyone gets into the tournament fighting game scene isn’t to mash out gimmicks on games they don’t know how to play, so its pretty easy to prefer playing a game you know, and have worked hard to learn than a game nobody knows anything about.