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On alot of boards I’ve noticed(this one included) hardly anyone gives out critique and when someone asks for it, they deny any problems with their piece.

And for the case of a member here(not going to say who) his critiques are good, but then he insults them in the process, which isn’t helpful at all.

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Me? just kidding… Yeah it does seem like people are afraid to either: Hurt someone or be told they have no right to critique.

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the rules and or theories are not important to an artists growth and are put there by people who want to make you into a carbon copy of those who came before you.

just ask cave men painting on their cave walls or any other of historys past artist if they took any figure drawing or 3d art desighn classes before they started painting.

point is when you make something it is art. and if it makes someone feel sumthin or if people like it, it is recognized art.

this computer monitor im sitting in front of was created by an artist. our ipods where, my tooth brush was. if these people where following some kind of rule then i doubt we would have nearly as many useful things as we now do today. you dont have to break a rule if you didnt care about the rules in the first place.

just ask akira noriaki, the artist of “jojo’s bizzare adventure.” his charachters are drawn all messed up looking with impossible body positions and a lot of times you can barely tell what the fuck is going on. but its great anyway. its different and fells like a dream like world. i cant even name another japanese manga with perfectly drawn characters that follow some hard core artistic rtules that are as populare as jojo in japan.

most of the junk…no, damn near all of the junk art teachers teach kids in class boils down to putting your free flowing artistic ability into a box of their choice. the normal art teachers class is this: comic books are not art, this is my fav. artist!, his work is god, you will agree with me on that or you will fail, you will copy my fav. artist becouse he is right you are wrong and my art teacher and his art teacher before him where all made to copy this style, here are the tools you need to copy my fav. artists style, and your grade depends on how well you bend to these ideas regardless of whatever personal styles you may have cookin in your brain when you got here.

this is every art teacher i have ever met in my life and when i was in college i was taking damn near 9 hours of art.

everyone has a person they copy though so if there are any rules id say they are the ones we set ourselves based off of the art or artist we where inspiered by when we started. melodic death metal band “In Flames” was inspiered by “Iron Maiden” but their music sounds compleatly different. this is good insperation in my opinion, theres nothing wrong with that. just dont tell us that one artists rules are correct over all else and we have no choice other than to agree and carbon copy them.

you lose a large percentage of your artistic freedom and abillity thinking that you can only make art one way. or that there are rules to it. i will never buy into that crap.

everything we make is art and art exsisted before stuck up artistic rules came about boxin mufuckas artistic ideas in a little room.

rules have nothing to do with art. and the rules that do exsist where made for one reason and that is so that other artist will continue to reproduce the same kinds of art only slightly different according to their individual art styles…if all artist fall into this trap then our future artist are going to have a borring future indeed.

anyway, im not saying you said any of this. it was just a more detailed rant about so called rules in art. just my opinion though, evewryone is different.

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Man I think you’re going on and on about the rules of art and I’m not sure what rules you’re referring to. I think you’re missing the whole point here. Following the rules doesn’t make you a carbon copy. Following the rules ensure that whatever you put on the paper will look believable and desirable. Also you’re thinking about art in terms of fine art where as everyone here is speaking from an academic standpoint. Sure if you wanna draw like cavemen on walls then art rules won’t matter. But if you’re trying to draw something convincing, why not make it…convincing?

"the rules and or theories are not important to an artists growth and are put there by people who want to make you into a carbon copy of those who came before you."
Again I’m not sure what rules you’re talking about but without studying what works and what doesn’t, how are you going to get better? Why would you draw something wrong 100 times when you can just figure out why it doesn’t work and draw it right the first time?

All the extreme artists you see out there that exaggerates the hell out of the figures all know the rules before they “break” them. And by breaking the rules of natural anatomy and proportion they’re following a different rule. That is the rule of exaggerating for effects. That’s the difference between a good artist and a mediocre one, a good artist knows where and how much to push. If you ask me idolizing and studying artists with distinctive styles will just make you a carbon copy of them rather than learning the rules of art and applying them to your work.

In the end if it doesn’t make sense to you then do follow it, but find out why. But know that the rules of nature cannot be tampered with without understanding how things work. So study anatomy and perspective and I promise they will do more good than harm.

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it’s the truth. you gotta learn how to perform a fireball before you can start to use it in the way you want. without knowing the basics we wouldn’t be able to manipulate them to surpass those limits. it’s true, tho, that you don’t need to learn the rules. ppl find out how to do things themselves all the time. but if we didn’t pass on this knowledge everyone would be 50 years behind schedule.
as far as art goes, imo, the most basic way i would put it is art is the representation of an idea. the boundaries are endless as to what you could call or not call art. and more so as everyone’s experiences cause ppl to view things differently. but in this forum it’s pretty obvious what type of art people post, or rather what they’re intending to show. that skill alone is what makes everyone here — EVERYONE — good enough. and the more experienced folk here are just tryin to help and push others. and if the posters don’t want that feedback that’s cool too.
all in all we learn the rules so we have a platform to launch from. not to chain us to the ground. and we have critiques to help each other launch from a stronger, higher platform. that’s all.

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I didn’t feel like doing this to the entire post, but I think you know what the general response on this forum would be if this had been an FGD post.

Also:

Technically, no. Those were invented by well, inventors, or I guess engineers. All these items you have listed are functional items, not art. They could become art in the hands of someone like, Marcel Duchamp, but that’s another story.

When cavemen were painting on walls, they were trying to paint real things; animals, each other, etc. They had no rules, sure, because they were the first to do this. They were trying to create and establish the rules we have today.
The rules of naturalism(often mistakenly referred to as realism) aren’t created by man, but by well, nature.
Nature made things look a certain way, and anything that doesn’t at least borrow some key elements from it will look strange to anyone.

OF COURSE you don’t have to follow any rules as an artist, but please, when someone throws a hissy fit when someone else tells them they can’t draw 3 biceps on one arms because it looks stupid, who’s really in the wrong here?

When you draw a human, don’t you draw the head in between the shoulders, or the legs at the bottom of the body? Sure, you can switch it around in the name of fantasy, or draw someone with an extra pair of arms (Goro :P), but you’ll draw them in a way that it looks like your creation is alive. (Doesn’t necessarily mean photo realistic, but you make it look like a living creature, not a random collage)

I’m no advocate of pure naturalism, nor do I feel that everything that isn’t drawn in a photo realistic way is bad, on the contrary. There is quite a thick line between bad art and abstracted art though.
If you look at something and the artist’s intention is clear, but it’s also clear that that goal hasn’t been reached, either due to poor skill, poor taste, or poor judgement, it’s usually bad.
That doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed though. And that’s exactly what criticism is for! :woot:

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while I’m sure there are people (usually grumpy, curmudgeonly art teachers who are stuck and unhappy) who rip ppl’s art because they think they’re this generation’s answer to Rembrandt, I think there are tons more ppl who give constructive criticism for the sake of helping one another get better.

I know that’s how I improved. When ppl respond to my posts with comments like “hey, you need more work on your anatomy/linework/etc… his bicep really shouldn’t look this way when he’s in this position”, I really appreciate it because ppl are taking the time to help me get better.

As DFist mentioned – ppl should try to know the rules before you intentionally break them. Anatomy, composition, a little bit on colour theory, etc. Yes, there are some ppl who catch these things really fast without much effort, but they are in the vast minority.

And understanding the rules doesn’t mean you should follow them all the time, but there is a difference between choosing to break the rules for intended effect, and breaking the rules because the artist didn’t know any better. An artist can’t deconstruct things properly without knowing why they work in the fist place.

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It’s hard to determine the divide between harsh and constructive criticism. If we think harsh is something that hurts the feelings or sensibilities of the artist, then harsh criticism can also be constructive. I’ve met a few people who ask what I think and when I comment on what could use more attention, they get hurt.

I understand other forms of harsh criticism. Saying it looks like crap, being offensive or insulting. Though this is just “stupid” criticism without real thinking, foresight, or effort into why they don’t like it.

It’s like the difference between being told you suck at Street Fighter, or being told “okay, this is why you lost/try this next time/etc.” Personally, as long as comments can help me better understand what’s working/what’s not, then a great favor has been granted. Though I also assume not everyone feels the same and only get into the nitty-gritty crits if that’s what they’re looking for.

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this thread is on like donkey kong :smiley:

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OMG. I can’t believe this thread is still here and that people have been using recently. :sweat:

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I love criticism only because it can help with a picture. My recent Hellboy picture got some great crits from various forums, and it helped me produce a better picture overall.

Yay!!

Artists shouldn’t be afraid of criticism. Just stop, listen, and embrace what someone is saying about your work. Be honest to yourself, and if your work needs improvement, IMPROVE it. If you can’t take criticism, then you’ll never improve because you believe your work is perfect. Nothing is perfect, everything needs improving.

Now, that’s not to say that you should take everything someone says to heart, or alter your style to fit someone else’s vision of YOUR style. There’s some real jerks out there who’s criticism is completely useless to you.

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Wow, that’s awesome work man…nice :tup:

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Any crits for this? ANy would be appreciated!

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I think the visor is pure awesomeness. Good shading skills.

My critique would be to crop the picture where his shoulders end and add a background.

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are u still the same achan from years ago or someone else usin the acct? never did find out what happened to u.

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maybe a grey or neutral darker color background. since there’s so much dark, the white sort of strains the eyes.

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Artists wouldn’t have explored theory if they didn’t want to know why something did or didn’t work. When something is irking you about your work, that is proof that there are rules/theory you haven’t followed.

Believe me, your ipod, and your monitor were indeed designed following some rules.

I see where you come from. It simply comes down to what you do with the feedback. Those who want to improve, or those who wish to share what they enjoyed creating will handle criticism differently.

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Regarding critique: the word itself is synonymous with criticism. But in my opinion, any sort of criticism one could give could be reworded in the form of advice. Saying the exact same thing, but worded in a positive way instead of a negative way.

Instead of saying “this is wrong it breaks the rules” one could say “try this, because…”, and so on.

It’s true artists should not be afraid of crit, but, it’s common courtesy to ask first before giving crit. Uninvited opinions are uninvited. Posting art to the public is not the same as posting words on a message board, because sometimes art is very a personal form of expression that is directly connected to ability/capability/thought/execution, and some people just do not enjoy having their heart and soul pissed on by uninvited guests.

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I dont critique unless they ask for opinions or give some hint they want criticism. i really hate it when someone realize the other artist made something they are jealous of and they say “HAY! But his left pinky nail is too far to the left!” You pretty much give your position away with that.

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I usually don’t ask for critiques much, but I do honestly want to get better at coloring in photoshop(I’m still garbage despite 10 years under my belt). Just posted up my latest work, comments/criticism would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT: Oh yeah, panty shot, possibly nsfw
http://akuuu.deviantart.com/#/d31gmr5