Just retested and all hawks dp gets beaten or whiffed from the [ slide-press > c.mp > f.j.hk ].
Your timing might be off causing them to hit. GL
SSF4 Tier List Thread REBOOT Super + AE (Updated: 02-01-09)<br>If someone is interested in, those are the match up numbers given by Ultradavid:<br>Name: Hakan-Opponent<br>
Abel: 6-4<br>
Adon: 5-5<br>
Akuma: 6-4<br>
Balrog: 6-4<br>
Blanka: 4-6 (27)<br>
Cammy: 3-7<br>
Chun: 6-4<br>
Claw: 6-4<br>
Cody: 5-5<br>
Dan: 5-5 (25)<br>
DeeJay: 7-3<br>
Dhalsim: 8-2<br>
Dictator: 6-4<br>
Dudley: 4-6<br>
Evil: 6-4 (31)<br>
Fei: 4-6<br>
Gen: 7-3<br>
Gouken: 7-3<br>
Guile: 6-4<br>
Guy: 5-5 (29)<br>
Fuerte: 7-3<br>
Hawk: 6-4<br>
Honda: 3-7<br>
Ibuki: 4-6<br>
Juri: 6-4 (26)<br>
Ken: 6-4<br>
Makoto: 4-6 <br>
Oni: 6-4<br>
Rose: 7-3<br>
Rufus: 5-5 (28)<br>
Ryu: 6-4<br>
Sagat: 6-4<br>
Sakura: 4-6<br>
Seth: 4-6<br>
Viper: 4-6 (24)<br>
Yang: 6-4<br>
Yun: 4-6<br>
Zangief: 7-3 (17)<br>
Total: 207<br>
Someone is talking out of his ass.
Adon matchup is very Hard for me.anyone any hinds for me?
What exactly is the problem that you have against Adon? I mean, I will give later some hints against Adon, but would be good to know, what makes it hard for you against Adon.
I know that Adon is more annoying than a psychotic chicken, but he is beatable.
Something for the begin:
Here is a longer set between an Adon and a Hakan player, just look, what the Hakan player does in certain situations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3KzXJ1fet4
You got here the framedata for Adon:
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_IV_AE/Adon
Just look there, which moves can be punished easily by Hakan.
Adons best pokes are:
ST.HK and CR.MP, the rest is situational.
Other things to keep in mind:
Jaguar Kick is armor breaking, so using the FA is a bit problematic.
Use on Adon´s wakeup always J.HK and watch out, if he has meter or not, since he can FADC cancel his Jaguar Kicks, if not then he has to guess, what to do.
Oh at the first page of this thread, there is a matchup description against Adon:
[details=Spoiler]ADON
Preferred Ultra: I prefer Ultra 1, but Ultra 2 isn’t a bad choice either. This is one of those matchup where it should be personal preference.
Slide Wakeup: Not Free details in Wakeup section
Crossup j.hk: whiff towards+lp, j.hk
Main Points: Watch when he has two bars for FADC Rising Jaguar, Know your punishes
An aggressive Adon can give you a lot of trouble, especially if you don’t know what you can do to punish certain moves. Out of the gate, Adon will try to rush you down, so be prepared to play a little defense. You really have to keep your eye on his meter. If he has two bars, odds are he will FADC. I will discuss this in detail below. Basically you want to get into your crossup j.hk game and be very conservative with your oil rockets.
WAKEUP GAME:
The only really effective wakeup tool against Hakan would be Rising Jaguar. This is the main wakeup move you need to watch out for.
Post-Slide Lab Work:
Slide Wakeup Counters:
Hk/EX Rising Jaguar
It’s true that if you time the wakeup slide correctly, the lk rising jaguar will go over you and the mk rising jaguar will be counterhit. It would be really gutsy to use the slide wakeup because Adon can just EX or Hk rising jaguar. Honestly, I don’t think this is a wise choice to use on wakeup, but if you’re feeling lucky and thinking he will use the LK version, go for it.
Crossup j.HK wakeup counter:
NONE
This is my choice for wakeup. ALL REVERSAL RISING JAGUARS WHIFF. This is a weird setup for a crossup. You have to whiff towards+lp and then do the jumping hk. This will be your bread and butter against Adon.
Uncrouchable Oil Dive counters:
Rising Jaguar
I would only use this 1/10 times and half the time I just whiff the HP to try and bait out the Rising Jaguar. Not really a move I like to use in this matchup. If you have to use it, mix it between the oil dive and coward crouch.
Post Slide Strategy:
Almost all of the time, I would use the crossup j.hk. Adon can’t use a reversal to counter it and Hakan’s other options for wakeup are vulnerable to attack.
WHEN TO OIL UP:
Full screen you should be able to get a lk oil in but watch out for lk Jaguar Kick when you’re between mid and full screen. Oiling up shouldn’t be a big priority in this matchup, in my opinion. You rely on crossup hk and punishing Adon’s attacks.
UNOILED STRATEGY:
Patience is the key. Wait for Adon to make a mistake and take full advantage. You need to know what can punish certain moves and what to do in certain situations. I’m going to list his specials and you needs to know what to do for each one.
Rising Jaguar: Adon’s most used move that’s easily punished when blocked. Keep in mind Adon’s meter situation. If he has two bars and does a rising jaguar, be thinking about buffering a oil rocket. ODDS ARE HE WILL FADC IF HE HAS TWO METERS. When you see the yellow flash, use Ultra 1 or Oil Rocket. If you do it quick enough, Adon won’t have time to throw or do another rising jaguar.
Jaguar Kick: This is a tough move to deal with. You can punish a LK and EX Jaguar Kick with Ultra 1 (You only have 1 frame advantage with the EX so you need to be perfect). Just don’t be frustrated if he starts abusing this move. You can also use standing HP as a counter if he gets predictable, but you cannot use it on reaction. There’s nothing wrong with just turtling against this move. Also, if his jaguar kick is short, you can also sweep on reaction. If you react fast enough you could also use towards+mp into slide on a short jaguar kick. If you’re caught off guard use the sweep though.
Jaguar Tooth: CHANGED FOR AE - When you see Adon jumping up on the wall, use toward + mp. it will air reset the EX, HK, and even could reach the MK version when close to full screen.
OILED STRATEGY:
As you can see from the Unoiled section, Oil isn’t required to punish Adon’s specials. Your strategy doesn’t really change with oil. FA backdash still gets caught by rising jaguar when you’re oiled. It helps with basic gameplay, but I really think oil isn’t necessary in this matchup.
WHAT YOU SHOULD PUNISH WITH ULTRA 1:
towards+mp (2-hit overhead attack)
Jaguar Kick: LK and EX versions only
Jaguar Tooth: EX only
Rising Jaguar into FADC
If your reaction time is excellent for Ultra 2 and can get it off with ease, then use Ultra 2. It’s really just personal preference.
WHAT TO PRACTICE:
Blocking Rising Jaguar into FADC and Ultra 1/Rocket before he does his next move, or slide punishing if he doesn’t FADC. Be able to do each.
fwd+mp air reset the Jaguar Tooth
Block Lk/EX Jaguar Kick and punish with U1
Post slide crossup setup (towards+lp whiff) [/details]
I can not punish his Specials.he makes to much pressure,I can do nothing ^^
I will tell you, how Adon´s special moves are safe on block:
LK.Jaguar Kick:-3f
MK.Jaguar Kick:-3f
HK.Jaguar Kick:-4f
EX.Jaguar Kick:-2f
(There are also Air versions of Jaguar Kick, all are also armor breaking.)
LK.Jaguar Tooth:-4f
MK.Jaguar Tooth:-1f
HK.Jaguar Tooth:-2f
EX.Jaguar Tooth:-5f
(This is his wall move.)
But there is another problem, it also depends, from which range Adon these moves is doing, is he doing these moves from a further away range, then they can be harder to punish by Hakan.
Now I will tell you Hakan´s fastest moves:
U1: 1f(actually 0+1 f)
All SPDs(Oil Rocket or 360+p):3 f
Both throws:3f
ST.LP,ST.LK,CR.LP,CR.LK,F.LP,F.LK:4f
ST.MP:5f
When you see Adon jumping up on the wall, use toward + mp. it will air reset the EX, HK, and even could reach the MK version when close to full screen.
You can punish a LK and EX Jaguar Kick with Ultra 1
And also try to use ST.HP against his Jaguar Kick
You could also use towards+mp into slide on a short jaguar kick, if predicted.
The best thing is simply, try to be patient and block these pressure moves, cause they are first at all armor breaking and also simply hard to punish for Hakan. Try also to predict his pressure tools and use moves like ST.HP or ST.MP for it, might work.
Thx a lot,I will read it tomorrow (here in Germany is 01.00 am) . Yeah I’m familiar with Hakan (old school Hakan,must learn the new shit) but not whit the adon matchup.i had a break for 2 year from playing SSF(fam,kids…) now i have time and try my comeback :)))
I am also from Germany and I could also provide with help in German, if wanted xD. Oh something else, just the Ultra you like against Adon.
How to win against Hakan: Press grab.
Fought a strong Hakan in a long set. He def beats Sagat slightly. He has tons of ways around projectiles and footsies are too dangerous. What are the names of Hakans various FA tactics and techniques? I know he can basically parry then get a free poke.
I agree with UltraDavid in that Hakan beats Sagat 6-4
srk had been quiet since everyone moved to facebook.
Nevertheless just sharing what we were discussing there and i made a video on Hakan vs Adon setups.
(Hakan Video Thread: Ready for Action!)
Also check out my other videos, theres one on vs Sagay setup.
Here are my notes on Adon matchup to share:
Adon has a really weird thin hit box and a very quick vertical dp, hence it is very hard to Hakan safe jump him.
There is a very tight sweet spots when the setup is perfect along with perfect height/timing to press j.hk, which it will hit Adon on crouch and make their dp whiff.
But irl game (especially online) it almost will always whiffs crouchers if the setup has a cross up ability.
so be aware of this and utilise jHK with an OS s.throw or sLP.
Also the idea of safe jump becomes apparent here, as its not a one move defies all, rather the objective to whiff Adons op dp.
And once they are conditioned to stay put/defence, then we opt jHK rocket/close combat strats and dmg, esspecially post dive cross up jHK.
If you really want to overcome the fear of getting dp on safe jump setup, you’ll have to spend time in the lab practicing it, understanding the setup and the button pressing timing.
GGs stay strong even when dry! 
It is also important to know, Adon´s air Jaguar Kick isn´t armor breaking.
the Dhalsim and Hakan match up is weird, shouldn’t hakan supposed to be burned to death by Dhalsim when he’s oiled?..