Tiering the viable teams?

so i was wondering what the tiers for the viable teams are.
i dont play marvel all that hardcore so i really would rather hear other more experienced player’s opinions.

top:
santhrax
cablethrax(?)
mss

???(no particular order):
rowtron
matrix
ducdo
msp
combofiend
clockwork
scrub
scrubclops
ironman/sent/cable
ironman/cable/doom
storm/sent/ironman

low:
team z
blackheart/xxx/xxx

(+whatever tons of combinations i left out)

wildcard:
msp
(really, really depends on the player, a shitty msp player will lose randomly to shit like scrubby blackheart)

MSS
MSP
SSCC
SSCable
M/IM/Sent

all equally godlike

it all really boils down to the player though. Anything made up of gods or tops has the tools to clean house against any other team.

Not sure if you can make a clear tier of teams… it might be easier to rank how well each team does against another team.

i think msp is just a notch above everything else…

after msp i’d say matrix, santhrax…maybe even im/storm/cable

like you said though, marvel REALLY depends on the player…team duc is a gross team as well, he’s won evo twice with that team too, has to be up there.

For a list like this to have some sort ov worth you’d have to consider that the player is top-notch and near-flawless. Otherwise normally free matches like MSP vs Scrub would end in Scrub’s favor due to lack ov execution/knowledge in the MSP players’ part. You also have to go by the amount ov players that pick certain teams in todays metagame (there is a hella lot ov MSP activity folks).

Tier 1
-MSP
-MSCyke
-Santhrax (CapCom/Cable variants)
-Matrix
-Combofiend (Mag/IM/Sent)
-MSS (Mag/Storm/Sent)
-Watts (Sent/BH/CapCom)

Tier 2
-Duc (Spiral/Cable/Sent)
-ROW (Mag/Cable/Sent)
-Samnang (Mag/BH/Cyke)
-Mitsu (IM/Storm/Cable)
-MST (Mag/Storm/Tron)

Tier 3
-Clockw0rk (Storm and Sent variants)
-Scrub (all variants)
-IM/Sent/Cable
-IM/Cable/Doom

Other teams that have potential:
-BH/Cable/Doom (or Cyke)
-Doom/Storm/Sent
-BH/Storm/Sent
-Doom/BH/Sent (or Cyke)

You also have to take into account what each character brings to the table when it comes to the teams they’re in. Magnus and IM have the One-Touch Kill factor, Mag/Storm and Storm/Sent have 100% DHC kills, Sent can potentially kill off 2/3rds ov MSP when his unblockable setups are done flawlessly, Combofiend (with 3 meters) can kill just about anybody…

I will not go on but you should see where I’m going with all this…if there are any objections I’m open for debate…

Tier 1: MSP, MSS, Santhrax, Matrix.

These 4 teams are probably the most predominant teams in tournaments and they win the most often. All other teams are below.

haha ya i forgot cyke

There is no good way to do this…single character tiers or team tiers…its just not possible…watching videos and playing will help you decide what team is best for you than any team tier thread.

each team variates depending on player…and certain teams counter others…(like scrub vs watts or clockwork vs combofiend or matrix vs clockwork, list goes on and on and on) yet good players can win seemingly very hard matchups (scrub vs storm/sent/aa) even though theory says “x” team should win, “y” wins. its all skill level.

Top is what disgruntled goa listed

btw - is cablethrax cable/storm/commando?

Cablethrax would be Scrub, since Sent/CapCom is what makes up the ‘-Thrax’ suffix…so he was probably meaning Storm/Sent/Cable…

wtf is going on here

I’ll fix MSCyke to Tier 2…but Watts stays for the sole reason that the meta is focused around mostly MSP…and Watts is more than capable ov countering that team. I already stated that all this was solely opinion in my part.

what are the different variants of scrub then since you have it named up there as cable thrax.

the matchup is MAYBE 6:4 watts

not enough of an advantage to make it a tier 1 team

scrub - cable/sent/commando
scrubclops - cable/sent/cyclops

idunno wtf cablethrax is, he’s prolly talking about storm/sent/cable

Basically you have your proven teams:
MSP
MSS
Thrax
Scrub
Row [debatable?]

And everything else.

yup thats what i meant.

the way i figure it santhrax is top because of storm/sent versatility + commando damage and space control fucking up a ton of shit. the commando assist is extremely dominating and can easily force a team with a lesser assist into the corner, basically seems like that team can deal with anything and only needs one opening to halfway end the match.

sscable doesnt control space as well, but if you get snapped out its a 3 man team, which makes it strong anyways.

mss is just damage + being a 3 man team.

i would probably wanna put combofiend into the top part as well, seeing as a ton of damage can come off of an ironman assist hit + being a 3 man team + controlling a ton of space. mainly the reason i dont wanna put ducdo/rowtron/combofiend into a tier 1 spot is it doesnt seem to me too many people use them besides their creators. oh and rowtron has a problem of controlling space and getting safe tag outs.

if anything in high level play i would guess at scrub/clops loses to anything MS, unless starting sent, but i just think cable has too hard a time competing with MS players nowadays.

basically if anyone was wondering, i wanted to know what tier the top teams would be in if you compared an overall matchup chart.

i think msp is kinda a wildcard team because it seems to me that its worst matchups are at least 5/10, its best matchups being better. plus a possibility of sometimes getting hit as you’re rushing with magneto or losing magneto early and having a team thats basically all pixie characters means if mag is lost early, it’ll b harder to win.

MSCable is also a 3 man team, but its shitty as hell. Just because you have 3 strong point characters doesn’t mean you have a good team.

MSS isn’t ‘just’ damage, its also versatile and has great DHCs. Basically the only thing it doesn’t have is an AAA.

what does this even mean? does it have a harder time ‘controlling space’ than MSP?

youre right tho, nobody but row seems to use this team effectively. still, when you watch him play everything just seems to make sense.

yea it doesnt seem like a lot of people are using scrub anymore but i think people are just too lazy to learn how to block.

where do you put teams like mag\morrigan ron or shit like sim\IM\sent?

This topic seems way too ethereal. Generating a tier list of characters is difficult enough (at least once moving beyond the gods), but classifying teams which are not played by the same players is nearly impossible in my opinion. Having said that I would put MSP, Santhrax, MSS, and Row up at the top, with many others nipping on the aforementioned team’s heels.

Too many good teams in marvel to make a solid list so I’d do something like, undisputed top then everything else.

I like msp, thrax, matrix and combofiend @ the top. Tony starks is too serious :looney:

Stuff like msc, sscable, duc, BH assorted teams, ro, mss, scrubs are all good teams but whats the point after the top? game is just too deep and characters take a huge amount of time to master like duc winning 2k5 with spiral. So do you put spiral ahead of most characters based on potential of one player, or do you take the effectiveness of a team through out the entire nation and rank them that way?

i think potential is the best way to go.