Zero//Alex
Hey Marn, do you think Alex is strong on point, or mainly as an assist?
When you make a tier list it should factor individual strength over team strength (although team synergy is still important). Also factoring matchups is important.
That being said I will write up a tier list soon and give a brief explanation on each character, that will be my final foray into TvC tier business.
But for TvC, its hard to make a tier list because team synergy is what puts some characters high on the list! Their should be an individual tier list and a team tier list!
I dont think assists really change a character’s usefulness that much. They do help, thats for sure, but they don’t make a C grade character A grade or anything like that.
Depending on the assist they can change the flow of a match, extend combos, or make ‘unsafe’ moves ‘safe’. Assist’s are a little critical to some gameplay styles/teams.
i understand all of that but i still dont think it makes a massive difference. it certainly does help make new things possible but i dont think any assist paired with any given character can make that character climb multiple ranks, especially because there are caps on using an assist multiple times in a combo.
It probably makes the most sense to have a normal tier list and an additional list that takes into account certain team advantages.
I wonder also about Zero/Alex. Marn is does great with that team, but it looks like Zero does most of the work, and if you lose Zero, Alex is just there for clean up.
What I’m trying to say is, I feel like you could pair Zero up with anyone that extends his combo and it’ll be a solid team. Although having a partner with high health balances out Zero’s softness pretty well.
i agree that assists wont elevate the ranks by leaps and bounds, but they still do enough to become a major factor in matches, win or lose.
Examples would include:
Alex (As seen in the evo match vids w/Marn)
Roll. Them water buckets are nasty.
Basic fireball assist (i.e., Ryu, Morrigan). Works great as Combo extender/disrupter.
Tekkaman assist. Pretty much a free combo.
Anti air assist. (i.e., Zero, chun)
Otg assist. (Cash, Roll) Free damage!
Extended hitstun/ish type (Polimar, Chun)
Even with the cap on assists thanks to the time delay, with careful use, you can temporarily control the flow of a match. This stuff definitely plays some sort of wild card factor when determining the effectiveness of a team.
I could go on, but my mind is wandering.
At this point, for tiers it would be like:
Characters by themseleves
Characters w/assists
Character teams.
Like with Alex he is a character you have to use like Alex to punish peoples mistakes because on point you can block and punish most of alex and soki moves.
Personally on top
Zero (Marn)
Yatter-1
TBlade
Ken The Eagle
You can fill in the rest!
this seems like a pretty solid top tier based on what I saw at evo. I’d add yatt2 personally, but she’s definitely less established.
Going further down the list from previous
Next tier
Ippatsuman
Saki
Doronjo
Morrigan
Alex
Ryu
Chun-li
Yatt-2 I have not really seen much of but she may have potential to be a higher tier. I will finish my tier list later
Wheres jun at baby cakes?
I guess Jun is by Morrigan or Ryu. She is solid but definitely has more bad match ups.
I’d put Batsu up in there also. Maybe between Saki and Doronjo
Honestly, it’s pretty up in the air after the top tier. There’s a bunch of characters who are pretty close and I feel like we need to see more to really get the middle tiers nailed down.
I think that Megaman is really underrated. Not enough people play him to his potential.
I think Megaman is like C tier, even if you play him to his potential he still is not super good. Megaman is definitely towards the bottom.
The problem is Mega Man is too high in execution for even an above average player to master. Same goes for Frank West.
Because of this, those two characters are extremely hard to tier.
Please explain to me why you think Ken is top tier. I’m not trying to sound like a dick (I really am interested, he’s one of my favorite characters going off of looks). I was just in training mode with him today and I’m like “wtf do you do with this character?”
He has that g-status overhead, but no real good a-low (that really bothers me).