Did anybody play this at the time? In Europe everybody thought the whole series was complete shit, and never considered it as anything other than a novelty alternative to SF.
So when did Americans start liking/playing this?
WHo cares about DBZ tiers :rolleyes: lol but 95 Ryo in 98 nah Takuma can kil him off in the Kyokugen wars in that game
King of Fighters 94
That game is gold.
air fireball > everything takuma has
For SF stuff, I’ve just copy a japanese tiers/matchups list that someone have post few months ago.
IMHO, If Honda trap you in the corner with the 1000 hand attack, you’re just dead.
To Kamui, I haven’t wrote a 3rd name for the 95 tier list so put anyone you want. (^__^)
You could just dp him. The reason why honda is scary is because of ochio ticks. The estabished top ST tiers are Sim, Balrog, and O.Sagat.
Ahh i cant belive i forgot about heidern in 95, yeah he was skanky
Not many people say eiji though? his unblockable running slice after fireball is nasty
I see my 96 predictions are correct (clark Chin Iori Choi) kyo is good in 96 not top though one character who i think is great is krauser.
The only character that can really OWN him is choi geese and chin
Also i think ralf was top tier imo his standing C was TOO good and 96 had a very very odd dazing system.
As for 97
Mary
Yamazaki
Terry
iori
Robert
benimaru
kyo
I did not include orochi chracters these are just my opinion
Anyone care to list a karnovs revenge tier list?
I get your point, but this is not the right way to argue it.
For a start, how do we know the Honda player is the same skill as the Ryu player? In truth, there is no way to tell if the characters are being used to the same level. It’s absolutely impossible to claim two players have equal skill with different characters. And thus this negates pretty much all tier discussions, since they assume that players are equal skill (but I could always claim without possibility of disagreement that the Honda player isn’t as good as the Ryu player). For all we know, the might be a great new Honda technique that we haven’t discovered yet, but the current tiers are based on an assumption which is undefined.
Tiers exist. You can’t deny it.
Accepted (to some extent). But you can’t really define or relate that stuff by talking about human skill, or “a good Guile player” or whatever.
:wtf: This is just WRONG! Mature top tier? Solid mid tier at best, but nowhere NEAR top tier, IMO. And where are all the freakin’ grapplers (only Clark and Mary)? First of all, you pretty much forgot the “game breaker” Goro Daimon, along with O.Yashiro and Ralf, who are also beasts. Kyo is also very dangerous, and Kensou plays mad zoning as much as the next EX Ryo.
As for KOF '99:
- Jhun
- Kensou
- K’
- Kyo
I’ll admit I forgot the grapplers but Mature is pretty solid in that game & good, offensive, poking, fast she kinda sucks in 02 while I think O Yashiro sucks plus my list is not ordered but thanks for updatin me on tha grapplers but I really think Clark & Mary break the mold there in that game while Kyo is ok and alotta scrubs from capcom could really play Saisyu
There’s not much difference between 98 and 02 mature I think. Still pretty decent to me. Mind pointing any out?
I beat people who use Ryu a lot when playing Honda in HF.
But this is in no way because I’m good. Crafty, maybe… I can trick people into NOT doing the only two moves Ryu needs to do to beat Honda (fierce fireball and low roundhouse). But I know anyone who wants to beat me can just do that and I have to get lucky.
In HF, Honda is excellent on characters without a fireball, and with the exception of Ryu, still very good on characters with. Reversing a DP on wakeup is way harder in HF than in ST, so slap traps work a lot more on shotos. And grabby into slappy is just as good as ochio, if not BETTER (IMO, it is - mindgames and positioning > superior damage of ochio).
But he doesn’t beat Ryu. Nope.
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Vegeta, Vegetto and Lil Boo are top tier.
As far as I know, KOF sucked in US:lame: . MVC2 
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Main differances between 2k2 and 98 mature probably her jumping lk in 98 it’s so good, in 2k2 it’s was slowed down,
Also more importantly they toned down the amazing speed she could charge her super bar from 98, this i personally think makes her suck in 2k2 oh and her dp was slightly improved in 2k2 overall i’d say she is alot weaker in 2k2
02 Mature is suuuuuullllloooooooow. Making her poking ability, offesnive & combo abilities not so good but she still has the same combos & pokes but not so effective.
Thanks for the clarification.
And yes, despite the fanboyish nature of MD’s comment, it’s a shame that KOF didn’t take off in the States. Truth be told though, I haven’t heard of the Americans dominating the Japanese in fighters not named MvC2.
^^ Agreed. So, about 96, under Leona, Mature, and Iori, how does it go?