Thoughts on Sanwa JLF 'Ultimate Mod'

good luck w/ the heatshrink…

i’ve tried sooo many different kinds of heat shrink and they are all too think… switches stick no matter what I’ve used…

Ah, sorry I think I kind of misspoke here. I can see how the tape around the main part of the shaft just shortens the throw, but I mean to say the part of the mod where you put the 55mmx5mm piece of tape around the ‘actuator’. Puting tape around the actuator and putting tape in the microswitch both seem to just have the effect of shortening the engage. I experimented with different thicknesses of tape around the actuator, and the results seemed to back that up.

Yeah, you’re right- when I got in there and saw how much space there was I decided to go with electrical tape just because it would be easier to fine tune it to my liking.

I’m glad I did because I definitely had some experimenting to do, haha. I was most interested in shortening the engage as I said above, so I first tried 2 layers of tape on the actuator instead of 1 (and did roughly the same on the shaft part as the video says). It was good, but then I got greedy and tried 4 layers, lol. That immediately started making the joystick stick, so I backed down to 3. Now it’s about where I like it but every once in a while it still sticks… I’m hoping that once I break it in it will stop, but if not I’ll have to go back to 2. Still getting used to the shorter throw as well, I don’t know if I’ll cut that down a bit or not.

It feels good, but I have to say it hasn’t really solved the main problem I thought it might, which is doing the double tap forward/back motion to dash mid-combo in games like BB. For some reason in SFIV I don’t really have any problem with it, but in BB I want to be able to do a kind of short twitchy dash motion to continue w/ the combo and it’s difficult to get it in. I guess my problem is usually that the switch is already engaged (either after a part of the combo or the first motion of the dash), and the motion I’m doing is not allowing the stick to go back far enough to disengage/reengage the switch… Having to do that wider motion to get the dash to come out feels difficult/unnatural for me in the middle of a fast paced combo in that game though… I guess I just have to get used to it. :xeye:

I just did the ultimate mod (minus the post it notes) and so far it’s great. I added a home depot spring and put electrical tape on the actuator (1 layer where it hits the switches, 1 ft around the part that hits the gate). I was using Scotch 88 tape, which is thicker than normal, so I had to take two layers off of the part hitting the gate, but now it feels wonderful. The actuator sticks slightly against the gate, but not enough to effect play. It’s so slight that you have to look for it to notice it. I’m hoping that with wear the stickiness will wear off. Someone suggested machining a new actuator with a slightly larger diameter; if anyone has the tools to do that I’m sure lots of people (myself included) would be willing to pay well for it.

Sorry for the up.

Does this work with a JLW?

I bought a JLW-TM instead of a JLF since it’s a little stiffer. However I found it to be too stiff, is there a way to fix this, loose it a little bit (not as much as the JLF)?

Thanks in advance.

over time the spring will soften up…

From what I’ve read so far before attempting this…the only part of the mod that is semi permanent is the spring. Yea, I know they wear out as well but it’ll still be good after a long time of playing.

The post it approach will wear down quickly since it’s paper and the tape will also become uneven because you aren’t doing the same motions equally. I looked at the heat shrink approach but, that tends to have a mushy feeling when playing.

It’s not too big a deal with me since I like the JLF just fine but, I did order the seimitsu spring cause a little more stiffness couldn’t hurt no homo

Lol, gotta love a good stiff stick. YES HOMO, mmmm.

Seriously though- yeah, I actually ended up undoing this mod after I tried it. It didn’t really accomplish what I wanted out of it, the switches were sticking randomly, and it just didn’t feel comfortable. I decided not to fuck with any more variations of the mod and just go back to stock (except the dual spring mod), because it just feels better imo. I’d like the deadzone to bea liiitle smaller, so maybe I’ll mess with it again in the future and not do so much tape or whatever, but I don’t think it’s that big of a deal.

Guess I did save me some hassle by just choosing the dual spring. I just installed it and felt it was too stiff but, a few thousand matches ought to loosen it up. :rofl: Gonna install it on my EX2 as well. (already did it on the Hrap2)

The stiffness does bring me back to the time I used happ. Man my hand hurts. :rofl:

lol, yeah it’s a little stiff, but once I got used to it and went back to one with the normal spring I didn’t like it as much anymore. Truth is once you play on any stick long enough you probably just get used to it and changing it feels weird… I doubt it helps my game at all, I just got used to having it that way, haha.

I am curious if you can add an extra spring into an LS-32 to tighten that up. My LS-32 is pretty worn out after a couple years of heavy play and I would like to add another spring to it to make it a little stiffer than it was when I first bought it.

Why not just replace it with a new LS-32 spring?

I have an extra LS-33 spring laying around, plus I very much enjoy American sticks with a lot of resistance so I’d like to see how hard I can make the LS-32.

no japanese spring will help…

even the LS-56 (the stiffest of all) cannot come close to happ/iL… and it’s WAY stiffer than an LS-32/33 or JLF spring (even 2 of any of them together)…

I need to try 2 LS-56 and see how I like it… but they won’t fit on a jlf unless you cut it…

I know it will not become as hard as a Happ stick. What I want to see is just how stiff it can be without fucking my LS-32.

that sound awesome

did anybody try buy spring from home depot instead of ls-33?

the L-52 is a stiffer spring then the L-33 but u can also buy them at home depot

Just did the spring mod on my TE now my stick is stiff and awesome!! no pun intended

This mod sucks, I tried it and I just ended up using a stock JLF spring. You will never be able to get it as stiff as a Happ/IL stick.

I gotta agree with Manman about the stick sticking and just feeling shitty with the Seimitsu springs in it.

I’ve tried variations of this mod a few times. like many people have said, its a process of trial and error to find what you feel is best.

Currently on my HRAP2SA, i have added 2 thin layers of heat shrink wrap to the throw of the acuator and have decided to leave the the spring and engage stock. Now i just have a shorter throw which I personally like this the best as i can play fighting games and shmups with the same stick without much difficulty. I measured the diameter with a digital caliper and it reads at about 12.54mm.

I think its worth playing around with but tastes may vary from game to game. If you can’t end having multiple sticks for different games trying to find a nice middle ground has seemed to work for me.