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I hear exactly what your saying man but whats more effort to you? Its actually easier for me to beat Ken with Hugo then say Ken or Yang. Why cause Hugo can just sit, chill and and do standing strong,clap, or crouching mid kick. Ooooh really alot of effort there. An occasional body splash to cross up , wait 360 or crouching short into clapâŚetc. With Ken, Iâd be a working like a mothafucka! Trying to cross up, constantly trying to find a way to strong fierce super, have to worry about what the other Ken his doing as well. Hugo already knows what the other ken player intends to do because Hugo limits options. Sure there are some different Ken styles out there but at the end of the day if your Ken is any good hes gonna do âKen Shitâ to win, and Hugo can beat that shit down by waiting. And dont think u can ex spin kick his big ass all day cause if a Hugo player ducks that spin kick with ducking short while buffering a 360 in there when Ken lands he will be either 360âd or 720âd if u got it without Hugo even being touched! I dont even care that I posted that strat cause I got plenty more for Hugo. Iâm not gonna go into why its harder for Yang to beat Ken then Hugo cause I dont feel like it. Just know that it is harder for Yang. Iâm just saying fuck those tiers basically cause it dosnât mean shit. Most people lose simply cause the other guy was better that match. Cause I can count on one hand how many times I lost because the other guy was better that match. But I dont have enough fingers for how many times I lost to Chun Li. Shes the only top tier I would worry aboutâŚok her,and Yun.
Kens too common to be scared of. Its like another Ken lets see how Iâm gonna make this one upper me.:lol: Ok this guys pretty good he dosnât upper alot when u want him to. Well lets see how good he is at breaking grab attempts. Not shit its Ken what do I do? I would worry about alot of other characters besides the set in stone reference tier shit. Like a good really good Alex,a really good Hugo,a really good Oro, Ibuki, Denjin Ryu,Makoto,a parrying ass Dudley, a Urien player that thinks charging meter is really important. Ya know but nah I always run into a generic ass Chun Li cause people are scared they may encounter something so different that a character they actually like might not get the job done. So⌠they take the easy way out.
Not ragging on everyone,just the people that think like that.
AS yall might have guessed I love 3s and this thread WAS cool so just trying to bring it back.
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Cam, I know ur good
but if a Ken cant beat ur Hugo, that Ken player isnt close to ur level anyways
No man its just that Ken cant beat Hugo like its an automatic win for Ken. You can ask Paul Lee from S Cali. Now I know it was casual but Paul has oneof the best Kens Iâve played. I beat him with Hammer Frenzy twice by waiting,swinging strong punch,clapping the air,and swinging ducking forward. He beat me later on when I chose Gigas though. He also beat my Alex in the tourney. Not trying to dis on Paulâs skills either Iâm just saying I doubt he was far from my level and still lost that Hugo vs Ken match. Actually his Kens skills were better than mine at the time. But Like I said if your Ken is any good hes gonna have to do âKen shitâ to win, and Hugos beats that shit.
Man we gotta play one day
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I wonder what about Daigoâs Ken I agree w/u Cam but I just wonder what about Daigoâs Ken? To a Hugo player.
This ken vs hugo shit is hilarious. Who is this guy?
Bloodurien:
Hugo canât beat ken.
Well yeah, a good Hugo can beat a shitty ken.
A really good hugo will beat a good ken.
But a Really good Hugo wonât beat a really good Ken.
Oh yeah remember this. Good hugoâs dont beat good Kenâs. If you think they can, remember this: They Canât. If youâve beaten a good ken with hugo before, the ken wasnt trying. Not that he âprobablyâ wasnt trying hard. But itâs a fact taht he wasnt. If you think youâve seen a really good hugo beat a really good ken, remember this: You didnt.
And btw, yes, you were trying to take something away from Paul Lee. I can detect if in your use of words. Dont diss paul lee. Him and I are related. Heâs my sister.
uhhâŚOutro. <-- Man, thatâs fucken gay
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On Topic:
A good ken should beat an equally skilled Hugo AT LEAST 7/10 times.
Ken has far too many moves in his aresenal that Hugo canât reliably punish⌠A properly ranged Ken can mix up pokes/counter-pokes to own the ground, use jump back fierce/roundhouse or exhurricanes to knock Hugo back to Earth. Hugo may get lucky and dish out some major damage briefly, but once Ken is free, he should be able to finish off the rest of the round.
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Back when I played you⌠'2001? I had zero experience playing against Hugo. ZERO. I was also a completely different player. I had gotten to where I was by playing scrubs. I had no ground game, no footies, no links, no late super cancels, and no reaction
timeâbecause I didnât need it at the time.
When I finally started playing against actually competitive playersâI had to retool my entire game.
Quit reliving your brief one-game victory from 3 years ago in your head. You fail to realize that other players, especially top players, are constantly evolving. The skill level that it takes to win a tournament one day might be scrub level the next.
And another thingâquit copping out to the cheapness of Chun Li excuse. If you want to BE the best, you have to BEAT the best. Who cares if you can play 75% of the cast to 75% of their ability? Thatâs easy.
Taking a character from the 98th to 99th percentile⌠being able to adjust on the fly to various player styles⌠closing up your holes against weaker matchups⌠THATâS the hard part.
YOU always complain why you get no respect. Itâs because YOU canât beat the top level players and YOU whine about cheapness/button configs/cramps/etc⌠when you lose.
Itâs not about the 990 people that you can beat for free. Itâs about finding a way to beat the 10 that you canât.
oh shit you just owned him, sis.
1.)Chun-Li
2.)Yun
3.)Ryu
4.)Akuma
5.)Urien
6.)Ken
7.)Alex
8.)Yang
9.)Dudley
10.)Remy
11.)Makoto
12.)Twelve
13.)Elena
14.)Ibuki
15.)Hugo
16.)Oro
17.)Q
18.)Necro
19.)Sean
Man please my point, was that tiers dont matter. Only fighting against Chun is where it matters to me. Why cause shes the only character that gives me problems now days. Iâll own Kens for free with Hugo. A good Ken should beat a good Hugo my ass. Not if the Hugo player knows how to adjust. And Paul, dude like I said Iâm not out to dis and I dont care about earning respect of your players. I bet u have gotten 10 times better now.
And trust I feel the learn how to beat the 10 guys u cant beat statement. Its hard when u only play em once or twice a year though. And if its so easy to use every character at a high level let me see you bust it instead of whoring âeasy Ken Mastersâ. You fools make me laugh with all your set in stones rules about the game. Nothing is certain and for sure. All Iâm saying is dont be so closed minded and assume that the same thing applys to everyone. Well you all have heard my voice on the matter so take the information and do what you like with it.
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Its lame how this has thread has become personal. Anyways, hereâs my theory. And lets face it, when it comes to 3s tiers, everyone has their own.
Every character in this game has the ability to win in a high level tournament with the exception of maybe sean. Picking top tier doesnât guarantee anyone a 1st place finish. I believe at the end of day it comes down to 80% player skill (someones time devoted to a certain character) and 20% character (tier level).
You gotta work hard w/ your character to win. For me Urien is a shoto killer. Those are the matches I concentrate on and put time into winning and it pays off. For Cameron, he might find it easier for Hugo to kill a shoto. It works for him, because heâs spent time on that matchup. When you face a Chun-li your âgotoâ character might be Ken, for others it might be Urien. It might be different for other people, but it all comes down to personal preference.
Strong players using weak characters doesnât make the character move up the tier ladder. That we can all agree on. But we should also remember to not take these lists too seriously, because when Chikyu comes to town, you can throw that shit in the garbage and bet his 12 will fuck you up. :lol:
I dont buy into that âA good Hugo will NEVER beat a good Kenâ phrase. Iâve seen enough footage of YSB playing top Kenâs in Japan to know that statement is false. Never say Never. It all comes down to the player. And if you beat a good Ken with Hugo on one day, you might lose the next. Thats just how this shit goes. Nothing is set in stone.
Hugo vs. Ken 7-3 in Kenâs favor. Perhaps. Depends on the players. Lets say YSB fights Daigo. Results could be 7-3 Daigo. Then you have ICE (another good Hugo from Japan) vs. Spellmaster J, results could just as easily be in ICEâs favor. My point is that tiers really donât mean much. But maybe part of the reason why we see more diversity in character usuage over in Japan is that they only have to win once w/ their character no matter what tier. (single match, single elim) Who knows, maybe YSB and other low tier players wouldnât be advancing as far in the brackets if the matches were 2/3 or 3/5 double elim like we have here in the States. Thats something to think about. Its fun to read everyoneâs opinion but lets not start flaming people because you donât agree with their list.
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Well spoken DBA well spoken.
You must be fuckin crazy Sean is amazing. Especially the pink one. YOuâre insane. insane I tell you.!!!
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That was the only valid point that was made. The rest was just theory fighter B.S. because youâre trying to back up your boy.
I"m not backing anyone up. In fact I dissagree with some of the listings on âmy boyâsâ tier list, and everyone elses for that matter. Like I said, everyone has their own opinion. And until some list is made that actually applies and dictates what happens in real world tournaments, we wonât see players grouping around a machine during a tournament with calculators in their hand figuring the statistical probablilities of who will win each match anytime soon.
This whole thread is theory fighter b.s. (Welcome to discussion about Tiers!) And thereâs nothing wrong with that, its always fun ti discuss and debate and read other peopleâs thoughts on the matter. But at the end of day a tier list is practically worthless.
Is it ok for me to say well said?
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No, but people will be thinking about the matchup and what the advantages/disadvantages are. Which are a part of tiering.