Third Strike Tiers

[System_1]

Yeah X does have the best Tier list but mines is the best thats not yours.

[System_1]

At low to mid level, Chun is top of the pops. She has a single solution to most or all problems. Conversely, Makoto has a billion problems to offer the opponent, with only a few very risky solutions. I would be and am deathly afraid of a competent Makoto moreso than a decent Chun.

Makoto has a billion things to learn, after which you’ll be playing at 125%. Chun has three or so, after which you’ll be playing at 110%. So after a hell of a lot more work, you’ve got a better character. Much like Yun, really (who also outranks Chun). But if you just want to open a box and make up a snack, it’s all Chun Li.

N - I hate having to redo posts from memory. Ugg.

[System_1]

I find Makoto quite easy to learn and like you said far better options than ChunLi. Yun I would’ve placed up top but he has such a high learning curve its like saying Twelve is on top because of Chikyuu - all characters can be mastered but the ones that are harder typically aren’t on top if they’re that much harder. In addition in high competition people don’t even combo into SAIII because of how hard it is to get off on a good opponent.

Once you get down karakusa, fierce, saII with Makoto you can already beat half the players you face. And following it up is easier timing than ChunLi’s super and a lot more damaging [stunning].

Why do you think ChunLi and Yun should be higher than Makoto?

[System_1]

Yun ranks at the top because a solid player will have Genei on for more of the round than he’s without it. Genei-Jin is almost completely safe, has a tiny bar, means nearly free damage.

Makoto is a better character all-around than Chun, but you have to risk a lot more to win. Chun-Li is an impenetrable wall of fierces followed by the supreme Houyoku-Sen, which is (in my opinion) probably one of the best supers of it’s type in the game (beaten only by Shippu, that bastard).

If you’re very good, or your opponent just isn’t, Makoto will steamroll them much more efficiently than Chun. But generally the top tier is heavier on safety than gambling, thus Chun stays up.

N

[haunts]

*Originally posted by Sleipnir *
**I find Makoto quite easy to learn and like you said far better options than ChunLi. Yun I would’ve placed up top but he has such a high learning curve its like saying Twelve is on top because of Chikyuu - all characters can be mastered but the ones that are harder typically aren’t on top if they’re that much harder. In addition in high competition people don’t even combo into SAIII because of how hard it is to get off on a good opponent.

Once you get down karakusa, fierce, saII with Makoto you can already beat half the players you face. And following it up is easier timing than ChunLi’s super and a lot more damaging [stunning].

Why do you think ChunLi and Yun should be higher than Makoto? **

as far as I know, tiers are created on the basis that all the chracters would be played to thier full potential. so, with that said, Yun and his learning curve should have nothing to do with his placement as a top tier character. hes one bad mutha. end of story.

and as far as makoto goes, there is a whole lot more than SAII stun combos to her game. start learning how many ways you can land SAI on them, and you really start to see how deadly she is. not to mention all the subtle tricks she has to unleash on an opponent. I dont know what kind of comp you are around, but it has taken me some time to be able to make my makoto into an all around solid character, rather than just relying on SAII or cheap post hayate tricks… (not saying you do that, just saying i think there is a lot more to learn with makoto than people realise)

[Devil_X]

from my experiance playing many fighting games any having many tier discussions, ive just come to the conclusion that the difference in tiers has to do with the characters you use.

example. i use ryu. to me chun li is the worst shit to hit the game ever. ryu has a much better shot beating ken or yun than he has chun

now if i used urien, id probably thing chun is not so great since urien has a more balanced match up against chun. but id probably thing yun and makoto are overpowered since many times they run over urien.

yun players probably rate ken as #1 since thats the character that has the best shot at beating them.

and so on and so on.

[epsilon]

You can’t really say Ken beats Yun because the #1 Ken (Daigo) lost to the #1 Yun (K.O.). Tier really matter less and less the better you get, except the very bottom tier. Especially in a game like 3s, it’s really the skill that matters.

[System_1]

Yes but the Ken v Yun final went right down to the final round of the final match just because Yun got the KO (no pun) in the final round of the final match and won doesnt automatically make him better than ken.
He is a better character imo best in the game but what im saying is just because he beats a Ken in a very close final with him doesnt prove Yun is better since they both equally skilled with their own respective characters and the fights were even.

[System_1]

Ya I still think Diago could have and should have won. Those jump in crouching froward uppers were almost telepathic.

[AneurysmX]

Thats why the toptiers in 3s will remain as : Yun, Ken, Chun, AkA the holy trinity

Makoto is right behind, she has so many arsenals, but she has to get in to be effective, Makoto can pretty much kill everyone but her worst match ups are probably Ken and ChunLi due to the fact that they can keep her away. Makoto also have good normals, but everyone knows who has the best normals. (chun)

She thrives more on mind games and risk taking rather than playing safe and effective… pretty much what thongboy said.

I think offensively, she’s the best in the game.

If u can cancel the hayate and throw off ur opponent ya Mak is scary as hell… just watch Chemaru on Coopcup2.

Daigo owned up K.O in the first set. If Daigo wasnt in losers K.O probably wouldnt have won…

[System_1]

Ya thats how I use her now. If u wanna be good with her just do that shit that fool was doing to that Yun player…that poor Yun player.

[haunts]

errr…

makoto is stupid.

[Everdred]

what would happen tier wise if…

once yun gets hit while in genie jin he loses genie jin? that would stop the abuse of using genie jin outside of combos

ken takes more damage (a tiny bit better than sean)? ken and ryu seem to have the same HP in 3s which is different from past games i always thought that was one balancing factor since ken had combos and ryu had damage.

if chun had a stun meter the size of akuma’s and remy’s with slower recovery.

if twelve got meter for flying (the same amount for tech roll recovery)?

if makoto’s ex hayate didnt do ridiculous stun, just big damage like it normally does?

if this happened makoto would still be below the top three but i think they would all become mid tier still being above the rest of the characters but not having as much as a gap between them.

[System_1]

*Originally posted by BloodUrien *
**Ya thats how I use her now. If u wanna be good with her just do that shit that fool was doing to that Yun player…that poor Yun player. **

*Originally posted by Klaige *
**Alright cameron, since I don’t feel like plugging up that other thread with this ignorance of yours I’m about to point out, I’ll bring it right here in the good ol fashioned NE drama thread.

First off, the reason I keep bringing up your name is because you DON’T know what you are talking about when it comes to GGXX cam. I’ve ignored your little pop shots at the game ever since I started comin to NE, but I’ve just gotten sick of you spouting off bullshit about XX just because you can’t handle the damn game. You throw a temper tantrum if someone even tries to knock on 3S. I mean that’s perfectly understandable, I’d throw a fit if someone bitched about the thing I based my entire fucking life around too.

First off you cry foul at XX and it’s “assist style gameplay”. You seem to complain because each character has some sort of bread and butter gameplay that you just don’t like. Anji’s traps, I-no’s lockdown, Sol’s pressure. It’s called learning and understanding your character, you learn their strengths and you use them to your advantage. You seem to think it’s all mindless, brainless scrub play that takes no effort to learn and even less effort to perform.

I’ll be the first to admit that XX has a lighter learning curve than other fighters. But you know just because the combo system and the basics are easy to get down doesn’t make it scrubby like you always claim it is. So what if you can do the combos and know your characters basic game, GGXX is still a fighting game cameron. You have to learn how to defend, how to use your best anti-air, when to pressure and when not to pressure, what moves have more priority than other moves, how to attack and defend in the air. Sound familiar? It should, because it’s the same damn thing you do in street fighter.

Your ignorance of XX is even more profound when you bitch about our match. You whine and whine about Anji’s ability to run in with his butterfly and start a trap. Well I have news for you, out of all those traps I use, 1 and only 1 is completely unstoppable (and even it can be erased with a burst or DAA). Ask kris or jamaar, or Sal. They all work on ways to get out of the trap, weather it be uppers or counter attacking, or baiting out one of my moves. All the regular XX players know ways out of the trap, just becuase you can’t find your way out of it gives you no right to bitch and complain. If you understood XX like you say you do, you’d know how to use the whole game at your disposal. Use a burst, burn some tension and DAA, christ blizz figured out just to use faultless defense to make the trap 10 times more difficult to execute when it’s not a perfect setup.

What’s even better is you whine about my character being better than yours. Anji is 19th out of 20 Cameron, second to last only besting out zappa. He has less options and less to work with than most of the cast. The trap is great, but if you beat it I’m gonna have a long ass day. But of course the “button mashing scrub” couldn’t possibly be good with a lower ranked character, nah he’s just using a really good one right?

Oh did I mention that Baiken is Anji’s absolute worst matchup in the entire game? She counters everything he does. Her sweep complete destroys his rushdown, and she can counter the trap WITH NO TENSION. Mario has no problems at all dealing with my Anji, why? Because he understands how the XX system and his character works and he uses that to get an advantage against me. If you’re so wise about Guilty, how come you can’t block a simple attack like the stomp. You don’t see me using that shit constantly on kris or jamaar or david, because they all block it with ease and make me pay for it. I used it on you because… guess what? You don’t know how to fucking block it. Novel concept isn’t it?

I know you think your lack of any life what so ever and your obsession with becoming some sort of 3S diety gives you every right to tell me how I’m terrible at every street fighter, and how I’m just a button mashing scrub. Well let’s see, maybe it has something to do with the fact that I do other things besides play fighting games. I go to school, have a social life, interact in the real fucking world. I also as you may have noticed only have competition in a city 2 hours away from me. You know why I’m not good at 3S? Because I play it once a month, and have only put any effort into learning it over the past 3 months. My 3S play time involves about 1 hour of practice a week (if that) and whatever play I get at my monthly trips to the center. Let’s see now you’ve been playing 3S since it came out, probably every single second you can muster in between smuggling frozen pizza’s out of other peoples freezers I would imagine. And you have constant competition. I play once a month for a couple of hours, gee I wonder why oh why I might not be very good at 3S compared to the NE crew.

You can bitch and whine and call me a scrub all day. The fact is I can hold my own against very good players in XX and I’ve done it by teaching myself, and getting some good comp twice a month at best. I know you like to think that because you don’t consider XX a good game, that you can write off it’s players as a bunch of scrubs. Well the simple fact Cam ol buddy is that XX is still a good game and it’s accepted as good enough to be a part at the biggest tournaments we have. Just because it’s different than your beloved 3S doesn’t mean it’s players are scrubby and worthless. If I really liked playing 3S and wanted to work consistantly on getting better at it over a Years time like I do in XX I could learn to hold my own against the NE crew. However I don’t enjoy playing 3S that much, nor am I going to try and learn it when I never play competition consistantly enough to catch up to todays standards.

Basically cameron, what I’m saying is you need to shut the hell up about your complaints with GGXX. If you don’t like it and don’t consider it to be your fighter. Fine by all means ignore it. But don’t spout mindless drivel about how XX players are scrubs or try to bitch about a game you don’t understand for shit. Also, don’t get pissy when someone complains about 3S, just because they think it’s not a good game. But then again it’ll probably take you awhile to understand a simple concept like hypocricy.

And really that’s all I have to say, don’t listen to the “button mashing scrub” if you don’t want to. But just know that you aren’t up on some mighty pedestal just because your entire life centers around parries. You’ve got no right to insult me like that Cameron, and I’m pretty sure Jamaar or Sal or Kris will attest to the fact that I can do more than button mash. I may not be a 3S obsessed player like you, and I may never win a tourney, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have some skill. For someone with no comp and no opportunity to learn other than a 2 hour drive for weekend of gaming once a month I’d say I do pretty goddamn well.

As you put so well, I’m outro. **

cam, how come u got owned up like this in the NE thread?

[haunts]

NERDS.

[vapulus]

white reflection…for the love of God…quit flaming.

[AneurysmX]

This is the best tiers thread, screw the other ones… =P

[rikc]

This is the best tiers thread, screw the other ones… =P

That was some badass threadcromancy there, pal.

[epsilon]

haha what a funny thread.

3s has changed soo much over the years, LOL at me saying nerco was makoto tier.

[AneurysmX]

Ya serious

I have concluded that other than the top tiers (Yun, Ken, Chun), and very bottom tier (Sean), the rest of the cast are fairly balanced with maybe a few exceptions. And thats not bad at all considering the complexity of the game.