There is no Shortcut to Perfection! Dudley Indepth Matchup Discussion DAY 8: Rose

Requesting El Fuerte or Dhalsim next. These two = my worst nightmare.

El Fuerte matchup is simple: don’t ever get knocked down…ever :wink:

Ya Dhalsim next please.
I can lose to ANYONE’S Dhalsim.
Anyone’s.

Also full screen punish back dash with EX MGB on reaction

My strategy on Dhalsim’s are to focus a lot of his pokes and non-EX Yoga fire’s until you get rolling thunder, and it will scare dhalsim a lot since his yoga fire’s recovery is terribad. I use Focus a lot to get in and to get rolling thunder as early as possible. also when you’re full screen away, they’re more likely to throw out a fire, so when you know they will throw it out, dash forward to give you a better ground coverage to use the rolling thunder under his yoga fire. This is possible, I’ve been winning more Dhalsim matches with Dudley and what you got to becareful about is his teleport and Ultra. Try to also buffer HK xx EX MGB. This has gotten me a lot of counter hits and big damage out of nowhere, so know your spacing. :slight_smile:

Dhalsim, then Ken please. Ken is a big problem for Day 9, or 10.

This. please… good Kens are a dying breed so I’m always shell shocked by the recovery on his tatsus no-matter when I see it.
and this is mostly in Ranked,
he is NOT the same as Ryu up close

Dhalsim’s has been posted, probably gonna do a shoto week sometime soon

Back on topic please.

I’ve been doing tests vs Rose lately.
s.FP beats all her normals besides slide
Ultra 2 is the better ultra since you can punish any jump attempts, wake up ultra 2s (when she’s within chip KO range), and if she cancels into Drill or spark for some reason on block.

This is risky but when you have a rose pressured and she has ultra 2 ready, do an EX or cross up thunderbolt before she wakes up.
It lands right between both orbs so it’s up to the Rose to block right. If you mess up the spacing or she blocks, prepare to eat an orb or two.

Rose is very dificult. I was in training mode and was very surprised. Her normals are all better with more range and great recovery. Her soul spiral has great recovery, range and on block she moves back too much to be punished. I can’t seem to punish with any dudley move no even a jab or light mgb. What I discovered is that the only move that punishes AI rose is thunderbolt after soul spiral but a good player will block this too. Anyone have any ideas on how to deal with this b****?

All of this advice is horrible.

Use U1 so she can’t fireball for free, and you can punish her block strings into spiral because Dudley’s U1 animation ducks under it. A smart Rose player has no reason at all to jump at you. U1 does more chip than U2 as well but no smart player is ever going to die to chip like that.

And your thunderbolt strat… Seriously?

That post is over a year old to be fair.

For the love of christ please help me in this matchup guys. I am getting destroyed by my bro in this goddamn matchup.

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It’s not the match up, it’s you.

Rose Dud imo is 5-5 or slightly in Dudley’s favor.

Learn your pokes (c.MK c.HK s.HP ) enough to make Rose want to jump or do nothing (helpless as fuuck)
Learn hit confirms (wtf were you doing)
Learn anti airs. (backdash and jump is not an anti air

50 seconds in and you did absolutely nothing but walk back, do some bullshit mix up that’s like -20 or somethin, and not block anything.

Click the link in my signature start at level 1.
Learn the basics of SF too i dont have a link to that.

I bet if you did c.MK, c.HK as pokes and had hit confirms down you’d be winning like 1/4th the time or at least taking a game more often.

lvl 3 focus > c.jab c.jab c.hk/s.hk you did this a few times, Work on your execution, a focus hit confirm go well with c.hp > s.hk, not a hit-hit confirm with c.jab c.jab, heck, goes straight to s.hk instead of missing… wth man?

Stop doing focus all the time and letting it rip

Stop respecting her wake up and go for meaty stuff, getting ex drilled is barely a problem, so is her backdashing all the time, ultra 2 will get beaten by any meaty in the game in case you don’t know.

When her uses ultra 2 when both standing it’s not the god damn end of the world, stop spinning the stick, try and block it next time man, it was hella hard to watch you die about 8 times to that, expecting you to do something about it since the second time, I saw you getting counter hit thrice trying to mash a jab into her block string, doing empty duckings into it, damn… it’s that bad man, just hold back and take the chip

He barely did any pressure, all he did was press hp, hk, random slide, and you were mashing dp, ultra, empty duckings, and all the other stuff that won’t work, block more.

He was spamming heavy buttons, no character in the game can do that to Dudley because of s.hk or even s.hp, both hit hard, fast, and one can be special cancelable, you need one or two to make he think twice already, it might cost him the round, when out of the slide range try pressing s.hk and doing an ex mgb, against s.hp is a little challenging, but s.hp will do just fine against that, her f.hk can be covered by s.hk too or c.hk and s.hp for easy mode.

Punish drills, HARD, he was doing those point blank all the time you manage to hit a lvl 1 focus > dash, and you can plink s.hk for this, you can even do our new 3 framer hp JU as a reversal, can’t get any easier.

And that is all I could find man, you are still a mess, I had to watch it and pause to type this stuff in here, The worst problem of this list is your wakeup game, you don’t have any, the utra 2 thingy made me die a little inside too but, you would let her slide away even on the corner, with wakeup ultra 2 nonetheless… get that fixed asap.

This will help, please, absorb this.

Nah he should learn the SF fundamentals then watch tut

I hate this matchup too. I think that you can use rolling thunder to punish drills (correct me if I am wrong). I have tried it in training and seems to work.
About what to do I am clueless. Somebody told me to do frametraps whatever that is.

I find this matchup pretty challenging too, actually what annoys me the most, is the fact that at the moment, i can only play online, and punishing drills and slides is so fucking hard for me online. I try to footsie her out (mostly with cmk) or to use focus on her slide, when i´m at max range, to be able to punish her hard or work on focus reset.

I´m currently using ultra 1 in this matchup, but i highly doubt it´s any use beside punishing fireballs, and i still don´t think it´s enough to prefer it over ultra 2, though i´m still sticking to ultra 1 and testing.

I think the focus is dudley´s best friend in this matchup, it can cover a lot of mid range rose´s options, and if dudley hasn´t the right range to punish, can still absorb and backdash for free ultra meter.
It´s gonna be faster to get the ultra loaded, and keep her from spamming fireballs.
When it comes to rose´s ultra 2 activation, I´m still testing something that could sound stupid, but i think it´s worth studying :

Victory rose fadc cancel on her activation (standing to standing) with a backdash ( yeah i know, work on your spacing not to grant her too much space in).
If she fires a fireball to have more pressing, she gets hit by the rose, which defeats ultra 2.

If she dashes in (with the right spacing obv) after the backdash, you can try at cmk´s max range, to sweep her down,calculating the rotations of the orbs.

Speaking about option selects, i still find hard to OS her on wake up, both on jump in or ground on ground.
Fmk(OS) HJU whiffs like always ? Fmk(OS) lp machine sometimes whiffs or only hits once, and Fmk(OS) machine mp is sometimes too slow ( and open dudley to punishes with cmp**usual strings).
I thought about using fmk or jhk(OS) ex duck straight, but when i was slow, due to lag, i got grabbed right after the backdash.
So i think i need to cancel at the very first frames ( it´s cancellable at frame 3) and maybe FADC into HJU (easy confirm) for damage and cornering.
I know it´s like 3 bars with not really much damage, but still you´re keeping her down and bringing her to corner, and it can be done every time she´s barless.

I´m still a beginner, but that´s how i see the matchup at the moment, with not so much experience about it.

I feel that you are approaching this match-up wrong. Yes, footsies are important but what do you do once you get in? There are some things that work on her but some things that do not:

f.MK, s.MP, s.HK works
f.MK, s.MP, s.HK xx jet upper (any version) whiffs
EX MGB, c.HK, c.HK does not work
c.LP, c.LP, s.HK xx jet upper (any version) whiffs
c.LK, c.LP, s.HK xx jet upper (any version) whiffs
c.LK, c.LK, s.HK xx jet upper (any version) whiffs
f.HK, c.LP, s.HK xx jet upper (any version) whiffs
EX jet upper FADC c.HK, c.HK (corner only) works

There are many others but knowing these things helps maximize damage in every situation. In terms of dealing with orbs, you should be using Oki to deal with that (watch vid). Ending your punishes/hitconfirms with a knockdown ensures that. I prefer U1 against Rose, but I also feel that either ultra is viable. Perhaps the choice in ultra depends on the play style of both players??? One little thing people overlook about Rose’s blockstrings is that there is a significant gap in between c.MP and drill when properly spaced (which I assume they would be); hit that training mode son. Even the video bovined posted showed the gap. Also, EX duck xx straight FADC HP jet upper is not a combo.

You mentioned some OSs but they were kind of weak compared to what he has available to him. [media=youtube]_xD80jELLNw[/media]

I pretty much use the bolded one and some clp,clp or clk,clp to confirm, which is easier for me than fmk,smp,shk (but this mostly because of the lag online).

Also i tend to be very aggressive, especially against rose, and sometimes i miss ultra 2 extra damage.

Anyway thanks for the video, i didn’t know rose was Ultra 1 OSable (does it work with ultra 2 as well with the clk setup?).

this is why im not making lv 3
ppl talkin about advanced shit to a beginner they even they dont understand fully.
that OS video was taken from my thread anyway when I thought I’d be paralyzed neck down or dead (luckiest person i know lmao)

but yee
no level 3
noone’s ready

don’t worry guys, I’m doing a steve tut, so…

wait for tut