I hate you Zar for making me say that I should try it, and I enjoyed it.
So yeah. What the FUCK is up with the shitty AI in this game? UGH. UGH. UGH. UGH.
FUCKING HATE THE AI
I dunno, the lvl7 AI seems pretty standard to me. Itās actually kinda helpful when first learning the game because you can pick up a lot of strats and anti-strats from it. But like w/ any other AI, the shit will cheat like no thereās no tomorrow (input reading, not storing charge, etc.) so you can only get but so much out of it before it starts to annoying or predictable :blu:ā¦Still a good learning tool compared to AIās that are too hard or too dumb.
Also, MonkiSnes has two new vids up on his account so check those out! (link is in my last post)
I swear to god, the standard AI grabrange is 0 frames and a full character space away. I canāt throw them ever.
Also, is it just me, or is it ridiculously hard to punish Armaggonās DP?
hold up??? people follow this game seriously??? aww shit let me get in and learn some shit since i never got to play it seriously cuz no one wanted to play with me :sad:
Monki bump
Cus he wont be able to find the thread on the third page!!:annoy:
anywayā¦
Long story short: AI cheats w/ just about everything. Play moar ppl plz.
As for Armaggonās DP. yes, that shit is ridiculously hard to punish simply because he has ABSOLUTELY NO RECOVERY ON LANDING lolol. Sigh, what a piece of shit. However, the are ways to punish it but you must do so before he actually lands to recover.
Here are some good ways to punish while Arm is still airborne from his DP:
Aska
close HK (straight up kick), or HP DP
HP DP works best but you must be quick about it. Close HK is good for when he crosses behind you w/ the HK version of his DP. Just mash on that shit.
Leo
Jump back early HP, or LP DP
If youāre fast enough, the HP will hit him as youāre ascending in the jump. Leoās jump HP is beast overall and you can often beat out Armās DP head on w/ it. LP DP is also good but you must be quick about it.
War
Jump back HP, or LP+LK, or HK (close or far)
War has very fast jump start up and you will be able to tag him at the start of the jump using his low angled HP. LP+LK and HK (close or far) is good for hitting Arm when heās going to land in front of you.
Raph
Close HP
Just mash it and the HP will find him lol. Be sure itās a neutral HP so you donāt execute any accidental power drill specials
Don
HP or Jump back HP
Donās HP has absurd range and speed. Fast enough to tag Arm before heās able to land. Jump back HP works the same as w/ Leo. Go for this if you think he will slip behind you w/ his HK Shark Upper (DP)
Mike
LP rising thunder
ā¦Free
Wingnut
HK or LP+LK
HK is decent for when heās going to land in front but is exceptionally well for when he ends up behind you (anti-crossup). Feel free to mix his ass up w/ triangle jumping as Arm is landing. LP+LK is good for Armās LK DP
C.Dome
jump back early HK, or jump forward early HP
Both will catch him as you start the jump. Jump back HK is good for getting some distance after punishing.
C.Shredder
HK Aura Knee or Jump back early LP
Itās important that you use good judgment and only go for the HK Knee if hes GOING TO LAND IN FRONT OF YOU. If Arm crosses you up w/ HK DP then youre screwed because you will lose your charge and get close HK instead (which will likely be punished by another shark upper). jump back LP is good for when hes going to land behind you.
Armaggon
Any Shark Upper
Just be sure to time it so that he is hit before landing. LK version seems to produce better results.
Dude, hit up dat ZBattle or PM me if you want to get in some shitty online games.
Zar:
itās funny, when I stopped playing the shitty story mode, I wasnāt as mad anymore. Having no access to super meter is ridiculously dumb.
Armaggonās still a cock, though.
thank u
TF was awesome at NECā¦I didnt have time to even remotely play it but man its such a great game!!!
Damn, been a while since ppl posted anything. Any of you still hold regular meets for this game?
And who said Don sucked? Any Jump-in into Rapid HP will fuck your shit up if he can get it out. Besides that, HP and his other normals are still plenty enough to carry him through a match. Ground Claw and Dreidel are useless, but heās not as bad as some of you make him out to be. 
Plus his kick throw is positively badass. Screen-shaking headbutt ftw.
uh dude isnāt ground claw like 2 frames startup? don can lock some characters down with that shit
if any east coast players are going to this:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=152527
then look up me or tobemorecrazy / burningfist charles, we both play and will happily get some casuals in
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why?
Everyone who has ever said they were āgetting into this gameā has played seriously for 2-3 wks (if even that) and they are never heard from again. Good luck finding ppl not from NYC that would do a meet for tf. =/
I dont recall anyone ever saying Don outright sucked in this thread and if they did they are sadly mistaken.
As you have stated, HP is a crucial part of his game and imo is quite abusable. Itās proves to be a solid AA and holds weight in footsies. As for HP rapid stab, even outside of combos its still pretty godlike. Decent chip, safe on block and builds hella mutagen/super for guarding it (esp when low on life).
Ground Claw and headspin useless?
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Ground Claw is decent for zoning at 3/4 scrn or further and against cornered opponents Don can control space with random ground claws mixed in with st. HPās. Although itās doesnt match the potential of raph and mikeās beastly projectiles it still serves some purpose. (Itās just not abusable like the aforementioned lame-oās) .
Headspin being useless is way off. First of all, headspin has total invincible startup up until the first kick AND itās invulnerable to throws! Not only can it be used as a safe AA (doesnāt actually AA but will pass through jumping attack and beat opponents followup on landing) it also has a mean ass meta-game behind it. E.g. vs rising opponents Don can walk up and tick w/ cr. LK and throw or cr LK and LK headspin to beat counter poke attempts. Same applies w/ just a vanilla wakeup throw: walk up throw or walk up LK head spin. Headspin also has no disadvantage on block. In fact, it may even have +f lol. Iāve run guardstrings vs turtling opponents such as: HK spin (hold fwd for all 3 block ticks) then mash out a HP rapid stab (which has extremely fast startup) for extra chip/meter and to counter any poke outs. edit headspin blows through dp stlye moves too if exeād at the same time =/
Imo Don probably falls in Mid/High-mid. Hes just soā¦solid. :tup:
lol 2f? thats quite the exaggeration there, sir. Don has 3rd fastest fb among the turtles iirc (w/ leo being fastest [10f?] and raph slowest [around 20f - dont remember]). But yeah, its still moderately effective in corner pressure when coupled w/ normals like HP, cr. HK and HK (AA).
Heh, I should consider showing up at that event. Iāve been wanting to play charles for like the last 5yrs or so! lol
EDIT
ok, back to pg10 of fgd :sad:
Thatās the thing, I actually live around NYC. Does Team Sp00ky still meet regularly to play this game or has it died down? o_o
While Iām at it, howās Leonardo in this game? Iāve heard heās low-tier, and plays like proto-Ky Kiske with a stupidly overpowered super or some shit. I tried him out, and his projectiles donāt dizzy as easily as lvl8 Computer Leo does (which is weird, since it wouldāve made him a great character if it did), but I do agree heās kinda a proto-Ky given how his game focuses on Shining Cutter and DP spacing plus mastery of his normals.
if u guys ever do a get together for it and i find out ahead of time ill seriously try to come for it
fuck 20 frame fireballs
raph fb lockdowns ftw
Nah, we dont do gatherings for TF as much any more. In fact, that last time the ādivine trinityā assembled was at NEC8. JeRon is mia and Sabin is upstate for school and as for myself: with work/school , I dont think Iām willing to play TF seriously again for a scene that pretty much doesnāt exist (esp. after the many ppl that have come to me showing interest in TF then dropping it after two wks or so). I will however be at CF this Saturday to host a non-TF related gaming event. If you can manage to find me Iāll gladly play you in a few casuals. Chibi and Zaelar will be there as well and they too play TF from time to time.
Now on to Leo. This turle isnāt particularly amazing but heās definitely not a char to be slept on. He gets by on playing smart and playing well calculated. Proper spacing for fbās, poking w/ st. HP, sharp reactions to jump ins and knowing when to take risky jump inās w/ j HP seems to be the gist of his play style. his combos arent extremely threatening or damaging but they get the job done. He has a few good match ups versus the stronger chars of the cast but his lack of ācheapnessā keeps him low imo. If youāre using leo as main you may want to consider having a back up char for matches that may trouble you later on. Then again TF is somewhat counter-match heavy so it would be in your best interest to pick up a few chars on the side (that wont be too hard). Leoās super is rather gimmicky in that there are many ways to avoid the full chip. One of the few ways to increase the chances of landing a full chip super/UA is by landing a meaty LP shining cutter then following up w/ UA from about half scrn or further. His corner fb lockdown game is reminscent of sf2 ryu and mixing in far HPs can keep the opponent pinned in the corner quite sometime (be sure to watch for those specials that can reverse it!). āheās kinda a proto-Ky given how his game focuses on Shining Cutter and DP spacing plus mastery of his normalsā is indeed the best way to describe his play style.
Lol we wont be doing a gathering solely for TFā¦ever. Youāre more likely to catch us randomly at majors like at NEC8 last yr (ā¦good times).
As for raphs fb, yeah, its kinda slow on startup but it travels at a good speed, with good guard stun and has practically NO RECOVERY on it. So hes able to chuck them w/ extreme persistance. TIGER!
fuck tf
ZAR are you gonna play AH2 or not?
And one day youāre gonna wake up, and find this thread in the Amingo Strategy Section
Best idea ever.
Just know that Im going to come back and win TF from NEC! Bank on that!
Saiyd Arturo said anytime your ready. Im pretty sure he has the camcorder ready for this shit.
hahah sigh, good olā kaneda tf hate. Am I going to play ah2? lol come on dude, I thought I made it apparent about where I stand with that game. Look at my IRC handle! 
What the-what-what-huh? JeROOOONNNNNN. He heard TF and got hype. Good to see youre alive, man. And still hungry for that TWENTY-FOUR DOLLAR NEC8 POT!! :wow: . Yo, Im actually going to be at CF on Sat. Zaelar will be there too and Iām not sure but Arturo may be there for an AH eventā¦so if you want to settle this top4 scoreā¦HOLLAAAAH. :annoy:
Now i just have to scrounge up that $24 for the winner-take-all pot. :wasted:
What time will you guys come to CF Saturday? Might be able to make it, but canāt make any promises.