As a lot of you have stated numerous times, that wiki is complete bullcrap and as much as I dislike the site, at least TV Tropes has accurate information (then again, that’s because some of this forums members have worked on the SF page there)
Again I may sound like an apologist, which really isn’t my intention, but let’s be real: 1. A wiki is hard to mentain. 2. Sources for actual hard facts about the SF lore a hard to get, especially in English so misconceptions can easily run wild. 3. For a quick glimpse at getting what’s what in a series it’s fine.
The problem with the wiki, and any wiki in general, is that debates and such are impossible and as long as members suffer from Vasili syndrome, aka not acepting hard facts, things can’t improve.
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Yep, and when people do look for information they end looking at the wiki or the plot guide, even when they have a professional deal with Capcom themselves! That shows how hard to come by the official info is and how easy it is for false or uncertain info to spread when people starve for it. Can’t really blame people for it. This should be Capcom’s job (and business!).
It was mentioned that Udon took the Shun Goku Satsu hell thing from the guide. Another example is Gen’s restaurant. At some point the guide noted that Gen owned a restaurant called Genhanten because it appeared in a Pocket Fighter stage, though it was eventually removed because the canonity of that game is questionable and apparently it was never mentioned in other sources. Now the SF wiki and every piece of Western media features this restaurant, from Udon Comics, to trading card games, to The Legend of Chun Li, because they went to Gen’s section and said, “oh, he owns a restaurant, ok, that’s going to be useful”. It’s become legit fanon at this point and I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended appearing in the games themselves.
Funnily enough, it was Vasili10 who removed the mention to the restaurant and we didn’t realize it until we casually named it on a thread and he brought the removal to our attention. The guy is a lunatic, but he does know his stuff. If he says that the restaurant appeared nowhere else he’s probably right.
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I always thought the Genhanten stuff was just a playful joke much like how Dhalsim owned a toy shop in that game.
But Yun+Yang still work in and/or own a restaurant passed from their relatives right?
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I hope Capcom would have been more strict qnd organized with their SF franchise like in they were in 90s from visual and character personality (according to some in the making of SF movies in the 90s) . They may have been that way because SF had been their flagship franchise back in the day.
Im glad there is a CFN profile but they stop updating it. CFN profile did help us progress data of individual characters. I like the idea of CFN profile they should have updated it and fixed it people would not questioned it if it would change frequently since it’s official source so it would be undebatable.
SF needs a new OVA that covers SF1 then another for SF2. With consistent design that compromised to their original in game art… Also some anime shorts like they did before in SF4. I really enjoyed arcade mode illustrations I hope that CAPCOM if they would had a new upated CFN they would used the illustration and other SFV content like videos to know which is which to be confirmed to the characters. Like which death of Nash was is it the shadow fall or the arcade mode endings.
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Ooh, so many replies, I’m glad there’s some energetic discussion going on!
I think you all have covered Kage, I don’t have anything to add.
@Dracu hey, welcome aboard, great intro post! Always nice to increase our ranks!
As for your questions:
Shin Akuma being stronger than Oni. Hmm, I’ve not looked at Oni’s info in forever, but unless he was referring to the idea that Shin is controlled, thus stronger and not a rampaging beast, I’m not sure. Oni seems to be presented as being something beyond anything we’ve seen and more powerful aesthetically.
Ah G & Q. As the resident Q obsessed maniac, I’m happy you’re speculating about him!
I’ve gone on and on about G since he first showed up, I even did a video and most of my speculation appears wrong, but I do think there’s a sinister streak in him. Like your ideas, I do think that there is a plan for G to bolster his forces with some sort of “Alphabet Company” comprised of various men and women from across the globe. One of the ideas I had was that he was like Dr. Doom in that he’s a bad guy to some (well, a lot of people depending on the era) and has skewed but good intentions for a select few. For Doom it’s his people in Latveria, and in G’s case he may be taking on the Illuminati and going about evil means to “save” the world. Could be interesting if he was in the middle of morality.
Q’s uncovered developer notes imply that he’s being mind controlled or resisting. My theory on why he fights so sloppy is that he may be fighting the control, or by the time of SF3 he’s broken control, but it’s left him with psychological and maybe physical damage.
One thing about Q is that he’s been looked at as an urban legend for an unknown amount of time. The CIA has had to field questions that he doesn’t officially exist, the move names he has are from observations, he’s been seen at crime scene photos all over the globe but not caught in the act of committing the crimes. The thing about G’s story costume is that he appears younger (someone hacked the model and removed the mask and he has black splotches of ink over his eyes and the glowing purple eyes are NOT part of the mask, but his actual eyes.)
IF he’s younger and not just shaved, then I have an idea. G for whatever reason was savvy enough to use social media to get exposure, but until Rashid fought him he struggled to get an audience. What if before his recent president of the world scheme, he took the urban legend of Q, utilized it (hence the discrepancy in his costume and Q’s longer, but somewhat plain coat) and tried something, until he ran into the actual Q? I’m not sure where it would go from there, but I don’t exactly think G becomes Q, but rather is incharge of him for potentially sinister purposes.
Stage hazards as early as SF2? Huh, could’ve been interesting if they got it to work. I like the stage transition and hazards in SFV and wouldn’t mind some more in the future.
@javert & @mykka I wouldn’t worry about Rose dying in SF5. The Udon books were doing their own thing with their take on continuity and she seemingly died ages ago just like @Doctrine_Dark said. Once SF4 came about, they started trying to catch up and Gouken’s fate in the books is different than the game as well as the SF3 arc. So I think she’ll be safe.
Hey Bea! How are you? Good to see you round these parts again!
Man, all these memories of how people got into lore warm my heart. On the flip side, yeesh, it is pretty scary how because of the misinformation, that’s found its way into major media sources. I really, really want to combat misinformation of SF lore and hope that Capcom gets a bit more focused on it in the future.
I was really hoping that at the end of the game’s life cycle SFV would have included a large lore guide and include the Shadaloo profiles in the game itself. I’m just glad nothing really crazy made it’s way out of the old plot guide (no Cyber Gen and Zombie Gouken making their way into an OAV or something, phew)
I feel the future games need some spelling out of the lore. Once we solidify the mysteries and get past SF3’s timeline, who knows how things will be – with everything so clean and everyone organized and future games no longer being endless prequel, I feel the story could go to some interesting places and be easier for the audience at large to follow.
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It’s been a while @Shockdingo
I too would really like a “archive” feature where you could look at plot+character info implemented into future games so that we have a single and clear interpretation of what went on and so that Capcom won’t have to screw up story details again.
On another note, as we (hopefully) move on to a post SF3 era, we’ll experience far less discrepancies in terms of canon as Capcom will have to essentially design a story without it being anchored to SF2+Alpha
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It’s would be interesting to see a stage transition in future SF games like in Xmen COTA.
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I prefer the more realistic stage transitions from New Generation where the weather, time of day and background people would change compared to the over-the-top transitions that the early VS games had.
Going off on a tangent here but I especially loved the Yun/Yang stage as you start fighting on a tramline only for the fight to lead to the restaurant next to the tramline, the chaotic loud music also helped.
That stage really helped to build up the world of SF as your battles have a impact on the environment around it. I know that already happened in the 3D games but I’d like it to be more… involved, if you will.
Xmen Cota stages transition were amazing making the stage felt more dynamic. It felt the background like it was episodic per round. I do like NG stages too like Elena which have the same vibe taken inspiration from Cota stages which started it all.
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You’re right but theirs are more “crazier” than what makes sense for SF. Falling into floors randomly rather than in a intermission like Elena’s NG stage and random stuff like water flowing isn’t what I’d like SF to do. Something like Colossus, Omega Red and the Samurai stages are more “SF” to me personally.
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I like them more inbetween rounds which is to be specific after a round before another round. which more like omega red not something like spiral that disturb the gameplay experience.
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Shadaloo Family and Tuesday the 13 nailed it
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Udon likely used the internet for research. Maybe they just saw the idea and liked it, but I’d guess that they believed it was legit.
Such wikis really need personal copies of all scans, audio files, video files, and web pages it uses as sources. That’s the only way you can verify the provenance of sources as well as the accuracy of translations. The wiki needs personal copies of all sources because you cannot trust them to remain available on the internet.
I’ve lost count of the times that I’ve looked at a reference on Wikipedia, only to find the cited page no longer exists (and isn’t archived). Even when the cited reference exists, the source might be locked behind an expensive paywall or is in some insanely hard to find (and extremely expensive) book. The whole reference citation ends up meaningless, or less than meaningless as it implies an accuracy that might not actually be warranted but which cannot be disputed due to the inability to verify it.
Even the Wayback Machine is missing years of site data.
I was looking at two different Mario wiki earlier today, and saw that they had conflicting information. Both claimed their version was correct, but since neither had usable references related to the conflicting parts, I had no way to figure out which was right.
EDIT: It is also annoying when you try to track how official statuses have changed over time, because several wikis only try to keep the most current state.
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Udon also fell for the whole “Bison and Rose are 1 person separated into 2 bodies” bullshit. They definitely used the old plot guide as a source. It goes to show how the actions of one person can have a ripple effect for many years.
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Shouldn’t R.Mika be Karen instead of Cammy in that Mean Girls parody. I can’t imagine Cammy being as braindead as that.
Oh, Juri should’ve definitely been that lesbian goth that wanted revenge.
I can’t blame a single person (not even a paid one at it), i honestly blame Capcom for have allowed these amateurs handle theyr most important brand
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Back in the 90s, I wrote a “What I’d like to see Capcom do with Mega Man” post somewhere. I can’t remember if it was some board or Usenet. It was a detailed plan not just for general story progression, but specific games that would be released. This was not a misleading post; it was clearly a fan-driven wish posting.
A few years later, I was reading an article on a web site about Capcom’s cancelled Mega Man plans. It sounded familiar.
About halfway through, I realized the article was talking about the things I’d said in my old wish post, treating the information as if it was official claims. I can only assume that they never even saw my original posting, because again my posting didn’t hide that it was just a fan’s ideas. I have no idea how the information was repeated and warped over the years to become some “official” statement.
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Good picks, specially the Colossus one
Personally as stage transitions i will just like they continue the good work they started with SFV and then abandoned
China restaurant and american bank stage extensions are nice, wish they extended same concept to other stages
Same for KO interactions, minus the head items bullshit
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