The Street Fighter V Lounge: We all gotta chill 'til the end of April

[Vhozite]

@Vhozon Eh, Cammy’s not for me. Gonna explore some Sim and see if he fits.

What don’t you like about her? Like what are you struggling with?

[NupoChromine]

Yo first question @Quark , st.LP or b.MP for AA?

[OceanMachine]

I’m convinced at this point that it’s not necessarily the netcode itself that’s the problem. At least, not the full cause of the problems that people have been experiencing. Capcom’s servers just can’t handle everything.

Hence why things were working so well in the Beta but have gotten so bad since then.

Not that the netcode doesn’t have its own share of problems though. coughone sided lagcough

What kind of server do they have to not be able to handle the amount of players SFV has online at the same time which is what, 10k players max with PC+PS4? Probably less than that.

Btw we are both PC.

I mean the only thing I see, in this is than Ocean has (I think) a good/great connection and my connection is not that great. I know nothing about netcode so I don’t know if it explains why I had rollback and he didn’t but that shit is annoying.

In SFV it’s less about who has the better connection, but more of who is “behind” in terms of time who will get the best result. If you’re ahead of the game’s time compared to the opponent, you will experience rollback. If you’re behind, you won’t experience much rollback. Too many variables are at play (system’s background processing, a PC’s setup, the sending/receiving of data, etc.)

You can’t really say that a bad result of the match is because the opponent has trash internet. Your internet might be sending/receiving stuff really well that’s deemed “too good” to the point that the opponent’s experience might be better. Your PC build might be top notch, but if the opponent has a PC build that might be just decent, the person with the decent PC build could have a better experience because he’s not “ahead”.

Again, too many variables… but that’s all thanks to the connection not being properly synced.

My laptop is not amazing (although I’m on steady 60fps and almost always play on the lightest stages), but I have a 1gb/60mb fiber connection. The fact is that the person who’s on the bad end of lag is totally random. I never changed my PC since SFV was released and I only changed my connection a few months ago, but depending on how the last server maintenance went the same people that ALL gave me one-sided lag before could ALL start getting one-sided lag instead and vice versa.
Also, connection with some people will always be amazing no matter our setup or how far they are for me, while with some other people it will always be bad for one of us. Go figure.

It’s a giant question mark… but same situation here. Someone could be many miles away from me up north, and our experience was absolutely perfect (we both were PC users). Meanwhile, playing someone near me at Louisiana or even at Mississippi, it plays the “20 seconds and then rollback” card. Even in my own place from the PSN+ trial, I could see the PC was loading/getting into the game ahead against the PS4 (the voice announcer and attacks were off-sync along with visuals), and, lo and behold, the same one-sided rollback kicks in.

It’s really frustrating that this is the only netcode with one-sided lag and nobody fixed it for an entire year. I mean I could live with some lag if I was sure that me and my opponent are experiencing the same thing, but incontrollable divergent experiences in a competitive game are terrifying. And we still don’t have an official word saying that they acknowledged the issue yet…

[NupoChromine]

Ok yeah I need to go to training mode with this guy

GGs @Vhozon

[Vhozite]

gg’s man.

Btw, Cammy’s f.hk is like -2. Don’t let them pressure you if you block that.

[crash_and_burn]

What’s with Alex’s Gorilla dance win pose in this shit?

[Volt]

What’s with Alex’s Gorilla dance win pose in this shit?

Same as Mufasa Akuma’s roar. Nonsense. Either that or he’s feinting a backflip. I’d bet on nonsense though.

@NupoChromine if you have questions about sim I can probably answer them unless it’s about some new S2 tech or something

Basically just looking for people to teach me their main via BL or good videos to study. Just looking around for a secondary.

What are you looking for? The first step of getting a secondary is actually knowing what matchups you want to cover.

[NupoChromine]

Honestly I have no clue what I’m looking for (Which is why I’m just looking for people who main different things to play with). Mixups/Zoning are basically what I’m looking for in a character. I might just try Ibuki because FANGlord Xian was looking at her.

[Quark]

Yo first question @Quark , st.LP or b.MP for AA?

b.MP is your bread and butter AA, cr.MP is good for further jump-ins, s.LP is for close jump-ins or if you reacted too late to use anything else.

LK slide can be useful to go under divekicks or cross-ups (though it did this a lot better in S1.) b.HP has a good hitbox but it’s very slow so you have to be on the lookout for a jump ahead of time to land it usually. fireball is also useful as a proactive AA in some matchups

in terms of videos to watch, fchamp is probably the best sim in the world so I would check out his recent FT3s (or was it FT5?) against nuckledu and daigo. and then I’d check out YHC mochi’s matches from topanga league 6.

[NupoChromine]

Yo @“DevilJin 01” ! What dis’ bitch do?

[Dime]

Good set between punk and smug, goes the distance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNwTv_kkOK8

I still don’t like the way footsies plays out in this game. A lot of that set is smug and punk taking turns pressing the st.hk button and hoping for the best.

There’s ALOT of respect going on here, which is cool. But the matchup feels less dynamic with both players opting for the “safe” random damage that a cc button gives.

I don’t think that’s a problem with CC, I think it’s a problem with everything else in the neutral and throws being so bad.

So many times I wanted both characters to press their advantage in multiple different ways… but nope… just hit that CC buttton and hope for that 5-10% chance for a random CC to happen and then take your damage.

The only time both players started to actively seek out damage was when the clock was running out.

The overall feel of this set (and sf5 in general) is that the neutral feels so dangerous, while simultaneously feeling very unrewarding. That capcom managed to achieve this feat of stupidity, possibly on purpose, is mind boggling.

[PoisonKiss]

LOL @ all this ‘gold ranking is for scrubs’ omg. My ultra bronze ass shouldn’t even be allowed to read this thread.

Gold is pretty fraudtastic, and I say that as a super gold.

Like eventually there comes a point where you wake up and realise how much everyone around you is flowcharting hard as hell, and you can just body people by exploiting their own habits against them like “Oh, I see that he likes to do X during this pressure situation, but he will do Y during Z pressure situation, so if I prod this way then…”

Then you end up improving as you realise how much of a dirty flowcharter you’ve been yourself, and make appropriate adjustments and just generally be more thoughtful of the game as a whole than what’s immediately on the screen.

Or you can just be Twinblades.

I mean I am casual trash who jumps around and doesn’t know what the fuck I’m doing, so these discussions go way way way above my head. It’s interesting to read, though!

[purbeast]

Good set between punk and smug, goes the distance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNwTv_kkOK8

Bruh … that music though. It’s just as awful as most tracks in SF5.

[Plaid_Unicorn]

Chun-li is dealing with her changes pretty well

https://i.imgur.com/4GJeRP5.jpg

April O HNG

Where is the rest of her?

[JoeyTones]

Good set between punk and smug, goes the distance:

I still don’t like the way footsies plays out in this game. A lot of that set is smug and punk taking turns pressing the st.hk button and hoping for the best.

There’s ALOT of respect going on here, which is cool. But the matchup feels less dynamic with both players opting for the “safe” random damage that a cc button gives.

I don’t think that’s a problem with CC, I think it’s a problem with everything else in the neutral and throws being so bad.

So many times I wanted both characters to press their advantage in multiple different ways… but nope… just hit that CC buttton and hope for that 5-10% chance for a random CC to happen and then take your damage.

The only time both players started to actively seek out damage was when the clock was running out.

The overall feel of this set (and sf5 in general) is that the neutral feels so dangerous, while simultaneously feeling very unrewarding. That capcom managed to achieve this feat of stupidity, possibly on purpose, is mind boggling.

Would it make sense for crush counter buttons to be easily whiff punishable? Which would mean increasing their recovery as a temp fix until they make normals better (if ever). There’s a huge punishment for throwing out an EX reversal or DP, but there’s little to no punishment for throwing out CC buttons.

[amrraed]

Good set between punk and smug, goes the distance:

I still don’t like the way footsies plays out in this game. A lot of that set is smug and punk taking turns pressing the st.hk button and hoping for the best.

There’s ALOT of respect going on here, which is cool. But the matchup feels less dynamic with both players opting for the “safe” random damage that a cc button gives.

I don’t think that’s a problem with CC, I think it’s a problem with everything else in the neutral and throws being so bad.

So many times I wanted both characters to press their advantage in multiple different ways… but nope… just hit that CC buttton and hope for that 5-10% chance for a random CC to happen and then take your damage.

The only time both players started to actively seek out damage was when the clock was running out.

The overall feel of this set (and sf5 in general) is that the neutral feels so dangerous, while simultaneously feeling very unrewarding. That capcom managed to achieve this feat of stupidity, possibly on purpose, is mind boggling.

Would it make sense for crush counter buttons to be easily whiff punishable? Which would mean increasing their recovery as a temp fix until they make normals better (if ever). There’s a huge punishment for throwing out an EX reversal or DP, but there’s little to no punishment for throwing out CC buttons.

I don’t like are plus on block or very safe CC buttons. I think moves like Rog’s st.HK and shit like that really annoys me. So I would agree on making them easier to whiff punish. I don’t think they should be more minus but they shouldn’t be thrown freely like Urien’s st.HP is.

[Heat_Sleep]

I feel like CC should only be reserved for punishing blocked reversals, i.e. wakeup dragon punches.

I remember seeing a video of a Urien player spamming St. HP and winning the match just because of how retarded the CC system is.

Shit, why bother playing neutral when you can throw out St. HP and get a chance at getting an easy 25% combo?

[itzpookiie]

Yo how could anyone want the other games over this at evo?
Hype af

[Dime]

Good set between punk and smug, goes the distance:

I still don’t like the way footsies plays out in this game. A lot of that set is smug and punk taking turns pressing the st.hk button and hoping for the best.

There’s ALOT of respect going on here, which is cool. But the matchup feels less dynamic with both players opting for the “safe” random damage that a cc button gives.

I don’t think that’s a problem with CC, I think it’s a problem with everything else in the neutral and throws being so bad.

So many times I wanted both characters to press their advantage in multiple different ways… but nope… just hit that CC buttton and hope for that 5-10% chance for a random CC to happen and then take your damage.

The only time both players started to actively seek out damage was when the clock was running out.

The overall feel of this set (and sf5 in general) is that the neutral feels so dangerous, while simultaneously feeling very unrewarding. That capcom managed to achieve this feat of stupidity, possibly on purpose, is mind boggling.

Would it make sense for crush counter buttons to be easily whiff punishable? Which would mean increasing their recovery as a temp fix until they make normals better (if ever). There’s a huge punishment for throwing out an EX reversal or DP, but there’s little to no punishment for throwing out CC buttons.

It would make sense but only in sfv-land.

I really don’t think CC are the issue. They are a nice fun mechanic that allows players to get combos off without to much commitment (depending on the CC) since I dont like this whole “commitment” philosophy that capcom is forcing in sfv I don’t think the CC is the problem.

Cause if we have seeped easy to wiff punish CC’s then we go from people spamming CC… to people spamming… nothing. Just a bunch of walk back and forth, peppered in with jumps and dashes here and there.

Attacking should be encouraged, not discouraged.

So I’m firmly on the side of anything that falls into the category of encouraging attacking. And sitting there waiting for a wiff punish doesn’t seem like an aggressive choice to me.

I’d like faster recovery mid range non cancelable pokes, more lights that work the way cammys and akumas and karin’s st.lk work for tick throw purposes.

More range on throws and less tech time on throws. Nothing huge or drastic. Like 10% more range and shave 2 frames off the tech time.

AA’s better overall. This increases defense but in that aspect I think promoting more grounded play is better, especially with the changes I suggested.

I’d like to see more plus on block but no range CC normals lik chuns bhp.
I’d like it if the pushback on chuns bhp were reduced if she gets no buffs to her throw game.

I’d like moves to have hit and hurtboxes that make sense, I’d like to see ranged non cancelable pokes have a faster recovery, even to the point of making them non v trigger cancelable just to make them better in the neutral.
Chun example:

Make her st.hp better recovery but it no longer cancels into super or v trigger.

Make her cr.mk have around 5 more frames of recovery on wiff.

Make her slide also have around 5 more recovery frames on wiff.

Etc

I’d like to see cancelable pokes have more recovery. I’d like to see specials become more safe on block.

[Highlandfireball]

Welp, just stopped playing after losing to an Akuma because he played solid. I tried to copy him, dashing after a button, but got fucked every single time. It made me a little mad, but I realized that was something better done by shotos, maybe. But that small grain of salt is enough to make me remember how bad of a product SFV is, and the thought of “why should I invest time in this shitty game? Fuck it, I’ll wait for Marvel” is stronger than my will to improve.
I’m a 16’er and a casual, and I think this is where single player content would play a role. If this game had an arcade mode or harder trials, I could just blow of steam by seeing some arcade endings I didn’t saw already, or try that trial I couldn’t pass. Anything to make people not close the game after being demoralized by other players.
Anger is a good motivation to improve, but I think you gotta have some love for the game you’re playing, even if you’re completely buttblasted. Back when I was at bronze, before Guile was released I think, I loved this game. Capcom handled Guile’s release perfectly and I thought they would keep it that way. I enjoyed the salt of losing because it showed me the way to improvement. Then it was a downward spiral from that on Capcom’s side and I just can’t get hyped for anything anymore, unless it’s a major overhaul.
It’s like if your girlfriend gave you a nice head and you love it, but suddenly she grow a dick, and even though the blowjob didn’t changed, knowing she has a dick turns you off.

Very rarely do I laugh at shit, but Willseless you win post of the week for me. Good show son.

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