I must have missed where anyone asked for that honestly.
Hmmm, thought it was in this thread, but maybe not. I defiantly saw it somewhere though.
Point is that you can either do streams which have a margin for error, or you can wait for a reliable DVD like back in the days of old.
This thread merely is a form of venting frustration over an unfortunate incident on something people waited a full year to see(myself included that shit killed my hype for the night asap). Why Cicada decided to be a douche instead of taking the Valle route and understanding that is well on him.
He tirelessly worked on the stream the entire tournament for only thankless assholes to greet him, all due to a very unfortunate blackout in the stream. If you want some respect, try showing a little first.
Why didn’t you save up and come? Instead of waiting a year like a douche.
I wanted to but the funds/work didn’t allow. If I plan better for next time and go will you give me a high five?
There’s better ways to approach it than his, which is why people responded to it the way they did 
Reread thread homie. People were already being ungrateful shitheads waaaaay before cicada posted anything
yes, it was, and i apologize for the tactless response. but is there anything else that can be done aside from “dealing with it”? nothing is gonna magically rewind time and make the stream NOT go down/cause the computer NOT to crash.
because sometimes i’m an asshole and like to troll.
ok, most of the time im an asshole and like to troll. which is why people that don’t know me don’t like me, but people that know me know what’s up. 
This.
It’s useless to cry about something in the past. All we can hope is next year EVO will have professionals doing the stream.
i just want to point out how logical of a response this is.
if i were you, i really wouldn’t rely on my own brainpower, cuz it doesn’t seem to support what you want to use it for. i’m glad i didn’t waste that much time responding to you, because you seem to be more distracted by the word “homie” than anything, and then you half quoted anchorman. and i don’t see how anything was a MAJOR fuck up… did the tournament come to a screeching halt? did we not find out who was a winner? did sponsors pull out of evo in disgust? the only thing is that you didn’t get to see the end of the finals match and award ceremony and had to watch some choppy sf on friday. if that is what constitutes as MAJOR, i would serious reconsider what i think is important in life.
MAJOR is like level|up killed your dog live on stream. MAJOR would be streaming ono drunk with a bunch of prostitutes pissing on a copy of ssf4. MAJOR would be level|up labeling everyone on the stream by their race and how dirty they smell. you were mildly inconvenienced, and are stretching to think that this is going to have serious recourses, if any at all.
the world keeps spinning, “homie”. want to get the full effect? come out to evo. i did, and i didn’t give a fuck what happened on the stream, and my life is better because of it.
actually, it did come to a screeching halt…which is why this thread was made. Get it? And yes, we did find out who the winner was…after the fact, not during and not while it happened. Again, that is why the thread exists.
Yeah, we could be as down as you and make it out to Vegas, and honestly, that would be an option to some, but it just isn’t viable for others. Because EVO knows that not everyone is as devoted and down for the community as you, they commission someone to handle the stream. The stream had problems, and we are venting. What’s so hard to grasp about that? I mean you’re, to quote s-kill, representing respect, but when the quickest sign of opposition to your opinion manifests itself, respect goes out the window. People were disappointed in a product, can you give them that? They went to the forum that would have the most folks who also watched the stream to vent and blow off steam. Where’s the harm in that? I mean, we’re, as you would say, “stream monsters”, son what harm could we possibly do to your precious community by venting?
If, perhaps, the complaint IS heard and addressed, then maybe you’re just butt-hurt that the people you look down on for not being contributors to this community have an equal right to be heard as you self-righteous EVO-goers.
Whatever the case, proceed with your profanity-laced, reason-lacking arguments and let’s hope some of the real leaders of the EVO and SRK community see how hard you’re working to represent them through your posts and give you that medal.
i’ll address these 3 things with as little profanity as possible, since that seems to offend you. i don’t want distractions because apparently you need to have ADD if you are going to continue this argument.
first off, you didn’t see it at that moment. you found out minutes later. a few hours later, you had videos. you were MILDLY inconvenienced. a mistake was made, attempted to be set right, and days later, there’s still complaining. a computer crashed. no one participating in the event knew this. no one at the event cared. the event kept going, and for those in attendance, the event was great.
MAYBE to you, the stream is an event, but in reality, streams are a luxury. this sense of entitlement that you have to think that you deserve to be part of an event that you are not putting any money into, not contributing to helping the community, and holding an unforeseen computer crash as something that ruined YOUR moment. you know what we had maybe 3-4 years ago? people sitting in irc or srk getting updates via text. you may think that streams are this important thing, but that isn’t how the world works, at least to those of us who aren’t living their street fighter lives by depending on other people spoon feeding it to them.
which brings me to my/your second point. you can’t be disappointed in a product you aren’t paying for. you were pissed off for something you were getting for free. level|up isn’t in your wallet, evo wasn’t in your wallet. they aren’t getting paid by viewer and they aren’t charging you to watch. you were getting something absolutely free. you were pissed at the hbo free weekend they give you on satellite because it cut off in the middle of the entourage episode you were watching. you were pissed at the free samples they give you at costco because they didn’t have something to wash it down with. you were pissed at the dinner your neighbors cooked for you because they messed up dessert. **its a bit offensive, and it has nothing to do with the community. **
you (as in everyone complaining about the stream) aren’t hurting the community by being selfish and insulting… you’re being thankless and rude to the people who did their best to give you something you didn’t have prior to them stepping in. yeah, there are other groups who could stream but you are just assuming the grass is greener. you’re assuming that the team didn’t learn from their mistakes. you act as if level|up did a stream for themselves. you’re insinuating that these guys that were tied to a computer 15 hours a day doing dozens of things not including enjoying the event deserve to be replaced because of an unforeseen hardware failure. that they weren’t freaking out because they were worried about you guys (i was right behind the station, and i’ll tell you right now, they were freaking out).
maybe instead of venting, you should try “understanding”… these guys didn’t want you to miss out, and are trying to promote street fighter and the community. they found alternatives to stickam. they posted vids and results as soon as they could. they tried to make right, and people are “venting”. you know the reasons, you know that they were sorry, and you know that it was a freak accident. once again, if you can’t let that go, you need to reevaluate whats good in life.
and i’m not doing this because i’m looking for rewards… i honestly hate what this community has turned into. for every good person who enters the scene, there’s 2-3 that think that fighting game community should be giving more to them than they give back to the community. i honestly feel for wiz, the cannons, valle because they have to deal with people being angry and thankless on a daily basis. not just 2 years ago, this community was in one of the biggest slumps ever, and where were you guys then? now, you think that you deserve everything to be perfect. you want crystal clear streams with beastly computers pipelined through mass servers. you expect people to put down tons of money on a stream they won’t see returns on unless they have sponsors who ask for 5 commercials every 15 minutes. this sense of entitlement for something that you frankly don’t deserve is sickening to me.
no ones going to say it on here, so i’m saying it for them… that much is true. this community umbrella that supports an unthankful group of people who aren’t giving back is ridiculous. and i can tell you aren’t part of the community that participates in events, goes to tourneys, and is actually part of the productive side that gives “stream monsters” some semblance of being within the community is because you would see how hard these guys work to operate at a loss. you want to make level|up pay for their mistake? quit street fighter. because after talking with valle immediately after that, all he wants is to promote the community and keep it strong. want to make him regret trying to give you a great free product? go curb stomp your and your friends’ ssf4 discs into dust.
so yeah, i’ll just quote myself from earlier:
thanks and sorry for that swear at the end.
See, I can respect that. In absolute honesty and with no sarcasm, I can say that you have stated your opinion in a way that I can not only understand, but in a say that isn’t convoluted in cliche, derogatory comments and personal opinions being passed off as fact. Good shit.
Like you and valle stated, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Hell, the exchange of those opinions are one of the reasons there are forums like this. For that reason alone, I can say that we must agree to disagree…but trust that I’m not that much of an extremist that wants to see Level Up crash and burn or wish them ill will. On the contrary, I know that one shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds them. At the end of the day, when the stream crashed, it left enough of an impact on folks to vent about it, so here we are.
As for your statement that just because I didn’t pay for something, I am not allowed to be disappointed, we that’s just misleading. A product (the stream) is out there and it was decided that it was the only way to view EVO (besides going).A few things have to be acknowledged here:
-EVO wanted it streamed, and I’m sure they had their choice of folks to go with, and they went with Level Up. That meant that it was upon them to provide coverage of the event.
-Yes, streaming is a relatively new technology in the fighting game scene, but it’s also the natural progression of things. Everyone and their mom is streaming in one form or another, and with the advent of the iPhone, it’s soon going to be commonplace. I’m not saying that shooting video via iPhone is anywhere close to what Level Up does…not even close. I’m merely saying this because to say that we should just be grateful and have nothing but positives is a little idealistic. If EVO wants to grow, if Capcom and Namco want more sales and exposure, streaming is going to be a necessity. To threaten a lack of a stream or to consider it as nothing more than fan service for the casuals is to severely underestimate it’s role in the development of the community and the business. Yes, the stream is free to us, but it is still a business and a service provided to a large amount of people, and as such, is susceptible to criticism.
I honestly believe that the only reason this is going on for 11 pages is because the opinions on both sides were at their most offensive/defensive. People were unhappy with the anticlimatic way the event of the year was handled, and the holier-than-thous felt we were ungrateful for being disappointed.
As for being part of the community, what would constitute contribution? Would it be the legal purchase of the game and other items affiliated with it? Would it be playing pot monster to local tourneys and events? Would it be patronizing arcades and pumping money into the scene? Would it be teaching friends and passing on things you’ve learned from srk so that the level of players increases? Because I’ve done those things…but if you mean that being part of the community is based solely on if I have gone to EVO and rub shoulders with the big names, then I regret to say I fail to meet those requirements.
If you honestly believe that people cannot and should not criticize a business because it doesn’t personally charge you a fee (even though they took the job voluntarily, recieved some sort of compensation and became only way to view the events for 50,000 people) then there’s nothing I can do to change your mind. I wish no ill will, I’m just saying it wasn’t perfect. What’s wrong with that?
Obviously not.
What we want here is an official admission of fault and we want your promise that next time you’ll use backups.
It’s as simple as that.
I suppose you’re not referring to level|up here, right?
Then, may I ask what are you doing here? If you were at the EVO and you didn’t see the stream (thus seeing the problems we were experiencing) why are you here talking about how it wasn’t a major problem, if you don’t even know how much of a problem it was?
of course. a lot was learned from this unfortunate occurrence. we DID have a backup system, however, getting it online within a reasonable amount of time wasn’t possible because of how things were setup. [not only how the game feeds and cameras were setup, but also network configuration, etc]
speaking to people about the issue, it seems one other tournament [and it has been used in many FPS streams] is the use of TIVO as a way to delay a broadcast or have a “live backup” and replay moments that may have been missed. This may be something we can look into as a form of redundancy in the future, or at least figure out other ways to prevent this from happening again.
As has been mentioned, streaming is very new in the FGC. there weren’t any EVO streams before last year, and we all know that one was rife with its own problems.
I didn’t even know the stream had gone down when it did. I was on stage doing photos – when the finals were over, i returned ot the stream and saw everyone freaking out – emotions ran high and everyone was REALLY disappointed in what happened. Working/streaming from 8am-midnight for 3 days takes its toll and everyone pretty much broke down; all the setup and testing even prior to the event [we did testing at my place on a few occasions, and the final test to mimic the evo setup was over an entire weekend] – all of that work down the drain because all people will remember is that it went down during the finals. it’s a bitch to deal with.
I knew since they began Daigo was overall gonna shit on Ricky O. No disrespect to him of course, he’s a good player. But honestly, I didn’t care one bit that the stream died. it does happen.
HDR was streamed flawlessly and that was 10x more hype than all of top 8 SSF4, real talk.
Why didn’t you put up automatic failover? The fallback on the backup in case of problems should be automatic, not human controlled.
because our resources are extremely limited, despite everyone thinking level|up is a multi-billion dollar corporation. thousands of each of the team members’ own dollars has gone into acquiring equipment and miscellaneous things that we’ve needed over the last 6 months.
the other setup was actually being used at the time for other tasks [adjustments and edits were made throughout the weekend on the second machine]. seeing as how the main streaming rig had been stress tested weekends prior [running and streaming in a way to simulate EVO, minus the viewer count – but that is on the CDN’s side, not ours].
arrogance? maybe, thinking we were impervious to such a freak occurence, and not properly setting up a backup to take over immediately. but that’s exactly what it was, a freak occurence. one of those things that you can’t really plan for. It’s something that has never happened to us, and we were caught unprepared. There’s nothing we could have done about it with the resources we had.