The SSJ5 General Thread: E3 happening but Ono doesn't Spirit Bomb

[ArtVandelay]

I’m so gonna play Injustice 2.
I hope they bring in Lobo though, and I’d really love Cassidy from Preacher, 6-Pack from Hitman or John Constantine but those three will probably not make it in.

[Evil_Canadian]

The better Injustice 2/Rev 2 (or any upcoming fighter) ends up, the more other fighting game companies need to step up, which is extremely beneficial to us, the customer base.

People keep hoping for other companies to fail, but don’t seem to grasp the simple concept that better games are great for us all.

Ahh I see

So SF/wwe needs its Injustice/wcw to keep competition and thrive, fgc night wars

I guess that makes guilty gear TNA :giggle:

[Vhozite]

So who’s dropping SFV when Injustice 2 hits?

I’ll still be here and maybe boot up the game to peep new characters. But if I enjoy Injustice I’m gone till Marvel.

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow, just wow. I guess Capcom was too busy re-releasing Monster Hunter with two extra monsters and putting out more shitty RE7 DLC to bother working on SF this month. What a fucking joke of a company, they shouldve been bought out a couple of years ago when that was on the table. This is looking like Brawl’s development cycle at this point.

[DevilJin_01]

Ken is actually punishable on an comboable overhead that should have been punishable any way.

Why come ibuker no punishable on comboable overhead that should be punishable anyway

It’s nearly half a second start up while Ken’s is not half a second start up. It’s the slowest overhead in the whole game. If you get hit by it you deserve all of it. You can reactively jab it out or throw it before she comes down and even her smoke bomb setups for it telegraph her foot outside of the smoke.

Ken can also feint his

Ibuki’s over has 28F of start up. It’s rather slow, yes, but not much slower than most overheads (22F or 23F of start up). There are days where I kind of want my character’s overhead to be 28F (even if just in V-Trigger) if it means comboing off of it and being -2 on block haha.

Ken is definitely slipping by while people complain about Ibuki tho

5 frames difference between the standard for overheads is pretty big. It means you literally are sleeping whenever you get hit with it. Only time you see it usually land is in the corner on a wake up situation where you can try and meaty it and hope the opponent was sleeping on the early start up frames. Otherwise you get it blocked and mash ex dp and hope they tried to press a button.

People do sleep so it happens, but Ibuki has so many other ways to open you up that the slowest overhead in the game doesn’t really get much practical use at high level. The unsafe overheads from Guile, Karin, Juri etc. I see get much better hit rates in tournament. They’re all characters with ranged, cancelable low forwards (Guile into overhead target) and good forward walk.

Being able to open people up with cancelable lows and frames traps is much more important. Which is why I personally will easily take faster overhead with more range and barely punishable at max range if they don’t have super. Much easier to use in neutral as people are watching their feet for so long against your cancelable low that the overhead becomes stronger through that

[CHNchilla89]

I live in a good pocket for Injustice talent and I got 2 really strong players/good friends willing to take me under their wing. Getting more ready to jump on Boon’s Wild Ride by the day.

[Daemos]

Gonna play Injustice story mode, then go back within a week or two to SF5 exclusively again.

[Cipher]

If Injustices drops I will do the only right thing!

Ignore it and wait for Tekken 7 instead.

[Evil_Canadian]

If Injustices drops I will do the only right thing!

Ignore it and wait for Tekken 7 instead.

Pft you think there will be a tekken 7 by the time Inj2 hits, those 2 weeks between releases will be plenty of time to root out anti-boon forces and throw them up against the wall.

[ribu]

Only character who looks interesting in I2 is Grodd, but Damn if their recent game history makes it hard to want anything to do with them either.

Take me away from these nightmare titles sweet sweet French Bread.

[DevilJin_01]

Ken is actually punishable on an comboable overhead that should have been punishable any way.

Why come ibuker no punishable on comboable overhead that should be punishable anyway

It’s nearly half a second start up while Ken’s is not half a second start up. It’s the slowest overhead in the whole game. If you get hit by it you deserve all of it. You can reactively jab it out or throw it before she comes down and even her smoke bomb setups for it telegraph her foot outside of the smoke.

Ken can also feint his

except her overhead startup looks a lot like her RH, which causes confusion. it works for good reason. there’s no phenomenon why her overhead just so happens to be really useful. it seems you’re just defending Ibuki because now she’s top dog. it’s ok. we know you were an Ibuki fan way before she became #1 in S2.

I’m not going to call number 1 card for her. Still has issues that could keep her out of a top 1. Just like Season 1 Chun I won’t downplay and leave her at potential top 3.

Top tiers have their issues too. I don’t think anyone didn’t know that even though Chun was top tier, her V Skill sucked and she wasnt that good vs strong fireball games (and still isn’t now)

I emplore you to watch any of Xians, Majorboy’s, Narikun’s or other top Ibukis match videos and show me the overhead clean landing with any consistency. Other than smoke bomb set up I don’t think you’re going to see it. Counter hit s.mp, fmk target is the only thing that disguises it decently due to hit stun on the previous button and if you landed the s.mp you could have just got a combo any way.

[CHNchilla89]

Take me away from these nightmare titles sweet sweet French Bread.

Looks like we have the SFV GD King of Poverty right here

disclaimer
I always thought Melty had interesting mechanics and love UNIEL’s art style. Those games still poverty tho

[NCK_Feroce]

Byron will make SFV great again.

[Evil_Canadian]

I think we can solve a lot of problems if we just do a talent exchange program and put Gorilla Grodd in sf5.

[Jaxxx]

There are good and bad points w/ both CAPCOM and NRS games IMO.
I just gravitate towards capcoms style gameplay more than NRS style.
That’s really just preference tho.

But thing that Capcom can really learn from NRS is…

the single player experience from NRS is top notch(story mode, arcade towers,minigames ect)
NRS REALLY listens/Communicates with their fans(maybe too much, LOL)
NRS/WB puts alot of money back into their community thru POT BONUSES(ie SonicFox’s Pockets)

NRS can learn from Capcom …
That you can support more than 1 game at the same time. UMVC3 and SF4 were the 2 biggest games out at the same time and they both thrived.

NRS practically moves on from a game after 2-3 years, MKX is a really good game and there is NO reason why both Injustice2 and MKX cant coexist IMO
NRS patching cycle is a little too much IMO. Maybe since the life cycle of the games isn’t that long, they feel a need to keep refreshing the games meta???

[Citrus_monkey]

Ken is actually punishable on an comboable overhead that should have been punishable any way.

Why come ibuker no punishable on comboable overhead that should be punishable anyway

It’s nearly half a second start up while Ken’s is not half a second start up. It’s the slowest overhead in the whole game. If you get hit by it you deserve all of it. You can reactively jab it out or throw it before she comes down and even her smoke bomb setups for it telegraph her foot outside of the smoke.

Ken can also feint his

except her overhead startup looks a lot like her RH, which causes confusion. it works for good reason. there’s no phenomenon why her overhead just so happens to be really useful. it seems you’re just defending Ibuki because now she’s top dog. it’s ok. we know you were an Ibuki fan way before she became #1 in S2.

I’m not going to call number 1 card for her. Still has issues that could keep her out of a top 1. Just like Season 1 Chun I won’t downplay and leave her at potential top 3.

Top tiers have their issues too. I don’t think anyone didn’t know that even though Chun was top tier, her V Skill sucked and she wasnt that good vs strong fireball games (and still isn’t now)

I emplore you to watch any of Xians, Majorboy’s, Narikun’s or other top Ibukis match videos and show me the overhead clean landing with any consistency. Other than smoke bomb set up I don’t think you’re going to see it. Counter hit s.mp, fmk target is the only thing that disguises it decently due to hit stun on the previous button and if you landed the s.mp you could have just got a combo any way.

Ummm completely off topic, but if memory serves me right I THINK I remember a player going as devil jin who used ibuki in 3S and made it far in the pools around 2007-2009.

That wouldn’t happen to be you, would it?

[flighflighflugit]

I’m dropping sfv for sfxt. Does that count?

[TWINBLADES]

tfw too dumb to switch to guilty gear

I’m not enough of a weeb to switch

SFV is roughly as weebish as xrd, you’re deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

…lolwut.

GG is literally anime. Look at those cringy outfits that you’ll never see anyone wearing IRL (unlike say… a gi, which is used IRL, and basically every other outfit based on RL stereotypes). Look at those cutscenes. Hell, look at the mechanics for Jack’O, Faust, Zato, etc. Look at the overall edgelord nature of GG. Look at the long spiky hair on…pretty much everyone.

Where’s the anime in SFV? USF4 had anime cutscenes but where are they in SFV? Maybe some of the humor in SFV is but that’s about it.

Street Fighter is very 70’s/80’s/early 90’s anime while GG is very late 90’s/early 2000’s anime.

In SF you have karate men, kung fu fighters, ninjas, pro wrestlers, and a bunch of other tropes throwing magical energy at one another.

You have a dark powerful force that threatens to take control of the protagonist, as it did his master’s brother(btw his master WAS BURIED IN THE GROUND FOR 2 YEARSTHEN CAME BACK), and is a constant source of alternate reality content.

The bad guys are A ) an immortal dictator who uses cloning technology to give himself host bodies to prolong his life, and to provide himself soldiers B ) the literal illuminati(which is an apocalyptic cult in universe) who are run by magically powered brothers, one of which has a messiah complex C ) a literal jojo’s pillarman who is trying to eat the souls of strong warriors, but fails to eat ryu’s because ryu no longer struggles with his SUPER POWERFUL BUT EVIL side(OC do not steal).

Like legit the street fighter story is stupid anime bullshit from top to bottom.

Also street fighter has a billion actual animes, plots of which have been integrated into the main storyline.

Oh and Nash is a frankenstein man brought back from the dead by the illuminati to fight the evil clone making dictator who had previously defeated him.(and he’s part clone now or something)

ANIME AS FUCK.

Yeah but it’s not GG anime and that’s all that really matters lol

[BeastEG]

I think games would last longer if companies just buffed weaker characters to compete with top tiers as opposed to nerfing top tiers AND changing how characters play. Change the game least amount possible to make it better.

That way the game can last longer as more and more characters become viable combined with new characters. It’s not like Perfect balance can be achieved day 1 but it seems like a lot of depth is usually left on the table.

[Evil_Canadian]

I think games would last longer if companies just buffed weaker characters to compete with top tiers as opposed to nerfing top tiers AND changing how characters play.

Everyone says(including capcom for sf5) this is what they are gonna do

then they never do it

then usually nerf low tier(vega,alex,fang) to boot.