yeah those boys at capcom really are gay, they will ignore bison again and rape him.
I bet, skull driver gets no tweaks
DR gets no tweaks
PC gets no tweaks
no substantial damage increase
no combo into ultra
no HS tweaks
leaving us with
dashes, throws, FA’s and decent but not superior pokes. capcom is gay lets face it.
I say this to capcom,
can you guys just do us a favor and TAKE OUT devil reverse, normal PC, skull driver, so we can play bison as he ATually is beyond playing noobs. I mean you might as well just give him SK and kicks since that is all anyone EVER uses in the tournament anyway.
yeah those boys at capcom really are gay, they will ignore bison again and rape him.
I bet, skull driver gets no tweaks
DR gets no tweaks
PC gets no tweaks
no substantial damage increase
no combo into ultra
no HS tweaks
leaving us with
dashes, throws, FA’s and decent but not superior pokes. capcom is gay lets face it.
I say this to capcom,
can you guys just do us a favor and TAKE OUT devil reverse, normal PC, skull driver, so we can play bison as he actually is beyond playing noobs. I mean you might as well just give him SK and kicks since that is all anyone EVER uses in the tournament anyway.
Exogen, I feel you. Capcom failed with SF4 Bison, they made a solid character but raped his classic toolset and lord knows why. this isn’t to say he isn’t a solid ‘mid-tier’ character. he can go toe to toe with ALL of the cast excluding Sagat. This much I have learned from playing him for a year. I honestly think that he has a significant number of 5-5s and forgetting this often leads to people underrating bison. to go down the line, he has a 5-5 ( IMHO ) against Ryu, Ken, Honda, Seth, Balrog, Akuma, Abel, Blanka, Bison, Fei Long, Sakura and Rose. By 5-5 here, I mean that these are matchup where it is the player that counts. what use is FADC ultra when you don’t allow him to get DP off in the first place? etc. He has an advantage over Gen, Gouken, Dan, Fuerte, and Vega with perhaps Dhalsim and Viper thrown in as well (arguably). He only has four bad matchups and from least to worst would be Cammy, Chun Li, Gief, Guile, and Sagat.
Yes it sucks that capcom is giving him the cold shoulder, especially by rendering his signature move completely useless, but a damage boost as significant as 20 % (imagine what jump in fierce, cr.mp, cr.mk xx roundhouse scissors would do?) plus his Ultra 2 which at this point is hypothetically going to be awesome as a punisher against whiffs and fireballs of all types, then he’s getting a buff of some sort, even though its small and not character changing. I have pretty much no hope in DR or SD being changed, but I could see PC being tweaked for sure still. There might be changes that aren’t detectable right off the bat. Hitbox might be tweaked so that It covers the length of Bison’s body and therefore cannot just be stuffed clean by a normal. Startup frames might have been altered, recovery frames and blockstun might have changed, etc. They had the right idea before some whiners complained that he was too powerful, but now they know that he’s less than that I still think they’ll give him a slightly better psycho crusher. Ultra 2 being potentially one of the best new ultras in the game shows that Capcom is still thinking about him in some way or another.
If they bumped c.MK from 70 to 80 and RH SK from 130 to 150, that would be a 15% increase for c.MK xx SK. Which seems enirely possible, and reasonable. 20% would mean c.MK doing 85-90 and RH SK doing 155-160. Seems a bit much. But that also means that c.MP, c.MK xx RH SK does at least 280. DELICIOUS.
Well fellows we can only hope. There WILL be a day where bison is finally feared of the tools he will have. I miss the old ST days and i’m already used to having to work 5X hard as the opponent in SF4 and have to only use 1 move.
Honestly, Bison/Vega is good as he is… Why does he need better tracking??? You are honestly using the wrong move at the wrong time… In range, he normals ARE BEAST… damage not that great, but they sure as heck out poke a lot of other moves. I think one thing they could do to him is to give him his fireball though… That would be kind of nice for lock down purposes, but otherwise, he is fine as it is.
He doesn’t need fireballs at all, he’s not that bad and the fireball thing does not fit with the “back to SF2” moto. I’d rather prefer an overhead and/or DR/PC being fixed (a bit, I don’t even want those moves to be abusable/godlike, just usable/useful).
I’d rather they leave scissor kick as is and give the damage boost to PC instead so at least we would have some reason to use it though maybe they gave PC a big stun bonus and Guru’s acquaintance just didn’t notice since it’s obvious they weren’t in training mode (otherwise we’d know the exact damage numbers).
The damage boost is nice but I really hope you can cancel from c.hp now which it would make it the best normal to cancel from for punishments. It has way more range Close s.FP and its pretty gay we often can only cancel from c.mk/mp.
I hope they didn’t do anything dumb like make lk SK leave him at -2 on block.
Hopefully they give him something interesting but its going to be great not losing to opponents after we’ve guessed correctly 90% of the time.
I’d still rather have something like DR not suck or HS not get us killed or better yet normal PC can punish most characters jumping backwards as long as the Bison played has good reaction time (should be possible on reaction not just prediction).
Nice, if Bison still has more than 50% of his moves completely useless I wont even bother I think. Already annoyed at how they screw playstation if they screw Bison it is one screw to many for me.
Just a quick thought off the top of my head… wouldn’t his hitboxes effectively change if he got bigger? Not sure if the game designers would want that.
Surely with Sagat out of the picture, Ryu will be the God character…I mean he already pretty much is? Just a faster, more combo friendly version of Sagat, but with less damage (although have you seen fa -> cl.fierce xx fierce. srk xx super?)
I think ken will be up there, but not Ryu. Dudley I can believe- in 3S i thought him as 3rd best behind chun and yun. Makoto is another one I can believe too- but both those characters are speculative at the mo!
After playing some matches today if they change one thing in SSFIV it better be that Bison’s j. mk gets one more frame on blockstun. The ability to shoryuken cross up pressure is ridiculous, so if i want to cross up I either have to do it, backdash or do nothing and risk getting thrown.
^^^ yeah that is definitely needed. Though really blockstun increases are needed throughout the game. j.mk and c.lk should both have block stun increases. Right now you basically have to hit confirm c.lk itself vs dp characters and that’s pretty stupid.
CAPCOM should not pay that ^*comunity leader called seth killian for promoting and balancing the game.
Capcom should pay shoryuken.com user for counting frames and making them think that they are going to get better by memorising them.