With NB, your opponent can no longer punish meaty slides…that’s pretty useful right there.
As for PP, there are assloads of moves that could potentially be punished by it, and even more if the level of control you get with his new ultra is as good as I hope it is.
Yeah, normal PC needs to be enhanced
Yeah it’s useful… if you’re playing people that don’t know they will get punished for trying to attack after you meaty slide. Nightmare Booster is a very good Ultra but not because of gimmicks like that.
Yes this sucks badly especially when Uppercut type specials beat everything. I really wish that no special move in the game including dragon punch had invincible frames…only Ex versions should have invincible frames(just my opinion). That won’t happen so I think Bison should get invincible frames on Knee press start-up so you cannot be swept when clearly in his animation he should be airborne.
yeah but for some reason whenever that happens the opponent isnt exactly expecting it. i dont think anyone’s auto reaction is, oh he’s gonna knee press…random jab or sweep! I think the immediate reaction is to block. When you get thrown out of scissors or pc that’s 90 pecent of the time not calculated by the opponent IMO. It’s hard to throw Bison out of EX PC imo. Then again I often jab that green bastard Blanka out of his rolls just to frustrate him and its pretty hilarious when he does the same to my knee press. i dunno its kind of lame but it happens to everyone else in one way or another too.
DP is DP, I’m over it, it’s the best special in the game for sure but that’s just something that’s not going to change anytime soon. Realistic changes for bison is what we should focus on. If scissors had invincibility that’d be retarded because if it was turned into a legit reversal without EX version, then you’d have a completely safe reversal which you can follow up with loops, poke pressure, etc. That’s like if lp DP was safe on block and put you in an advantageous offensive position. It costs 2 bars to do that currently which is fine. If anything make EX scissors a bit safer. Sagat’s EX TK is like -2 on block, essentially safe and gives him only a bit of disadvantage, plenty of time for you to pause in hesitation and forget to tech a throw or whatever. Right now EX scissors is a free uppercut on block, it’s just got a bit too much recovery right now imo.
Hell, EX scissors is free ultra for Chun and Rog probably more. It’s a free Ultra setup in the way of DP FADC Ultra for Sagat, Ryu, Cammy etc. Basically… you don’t want anyone to block it lol
If is this
100% agree
That doesn’t work. What’s the best you can hope for if you time a perfect meaty slide, +1? Most people will try to retaliate with a jab into combo which will leave them enough time to block the ultra and ass rape you on the other side. Bad idea.
What i wish
Psycho Crusher: slighty more powerfull(raise to 150?) and more decent priority on start
EX Psycho Crusher: Destroy fireballs ability work on all frames,and go all the way unitl the edge of the screen even if the opponent is jumping back
Thats not my point though. Just saying that they CANT punish your meaty slides, so that opens up your games (feel free to meaty slide then PC through them, or meaty slide then HS, or meaty then throw). You don’t need to land or use your ultra to make your opponent fear it. Just see Seth, for instance.
I also got to thinking, I wouldn’t mind seeing PC keep going (at the same speed) until you release the punch button (with a minimum distance that it needs to travel).
Seth has a totally different advantage. Seth throws a fireball and forces you to block it or eat ultra. If Bison Meaty Slides and doesn’t ultra then the opponent will just sit there and react to whatever else it is that he does. It’s not a legit tactic.
What is your definition of meaty slide? You’re saying you can slide point blank into them, they block, and if they try to punish you can ultra them? I don’t think that’s possible or am I wrong? You can of course slide from max distance, and you’re safe on block, so if someone tries to punish your safe slide you could always PC or ultra them etc. but I’m a bit skeptical that you can do an unsafe slide and avoid punishment if your opponent reacts properly.
The Slide has 12 active frames. If you do it on wakeup, you can have up to a +2 frame advantage on block. I can’t think of any other way to meaty a slide.
But from that point you’re just guessing and not really reacting… Just like you can empty devils into Ultra, hoping that they attempt to land a hit on you… Those aren’t legit setups you can actually count on when it matters.
There’s a biiiiig difference between empty DR, NB and cr.lk, cr.lp, cr.lpxxFP Shoryu FADC Metsu.
Fully agree with the shouts for sorting out the properties on Ex PC. I stopped using it against plasma cos I was never sure if I’d absorb it or not. Just use Ex Scissors now instead but it whiffs at full screen.
I didnt say it was the same as Seth. Just pointing out that shutting down opponents options is ALWAYS useful.
Keep in mind meaty slides now mean you can get close to your opponent with less fear, when you have ultra. And I know its not a guaranteed ultra, but you’d be surprised how many people try to finish a fight off by throwing you when you meaty, or any other kind of punish. Hell, meaty slide, then attempt to throw, so you condition them to throw after a blocked meaty slide. Then throw out ultra when they attempt to tech.
Dont forget you will still likely have ex as well, so you can now meaty slide then ex HS or ex SK or or ex PC (especially near a corner this is uber useful), or lk SK to start loops.
And Mike Bison, Im not talking about point blank or non max distance slides. That isnt what a meaty slide is.
yeah I didn’t realize what you meant by meaty slide. I plain forgot you can use slide safely vs wake up because frankly I never do this, I only do meaty jabs or shorts. Here’s a question, based on the frame data/your experience, what can they throw out that you can punish with ultra. If they try to do c.lk** scissors for instance, will they be able to block your ultra or will they get hit?
EX PC seems to be pretty useful vs Guile imo. Better than ex scissor for getting through his projectile defense.
See, the problem here is that it’s all guessing. They are simply shenanigans and nothing more.
Meaty slides, hell meaty anything is viable, but what you do after is just “psychic” stuff, nothing really legit. There is no option select ultra after the meaty slide, all you’re doing is sliding and deciding even before your opponent has done anything.
That’s the crux of it all. Meaty slide will get you in and can shut down some options, yes, but it’s because you get frame advantage, not because you have ultra.