The Spider's Lair - Juri

Calamity_Sword · January 10, 2018, 4:51am

Patch notes go live at 5pm PST

Update:

Standing MK (Normal/V-Trigger): Increased the timing cancel window
Crouching LP (Normal/V-Trigger), Crouching MP (Normal/V-Trigger), Crouching MK (Normal/V-Trigger): Changed the hurtbox
Crouching HP (Normal/V-Trigger), Jumping MP (Normal/V-Trigger), Jumping HK (Normal/V-Trigger): Changed the hitbox and hurtbox
Jumping HP (Normal/V-Trigger):
Increased the startup from 8F to 9F
Changed the hurtbox
Kyoretsushu: Changed so that it can hit crouching opponents
Kasatushu (V-Skill: Decreased the amount of V-Gauge meter gain on hit
L Fuharenkyaku: Increase the active time
M Fuharenkyaku (Normal/V-Trigger):
Normal, V-Trigger: Damage increased from 60 to 70
V-Trigger: Stun increased from 80 to 100
H Fuharenkyaku (Normal/V-Trigger): Normal, V-Trigger: Damage increased from 80 to 100
EX Tensenrin: Changed to have complete invincibility until the 12th movement frame
Sakkai Fuhazan: Given armor break properties
V-Trigger:
Number of V-Trigger blocks decreased from 3 to 2
Increased the amount of gauge that each Fuharenkyaku uses
Extended the V-Trigger effect time

ahrenk · January 10, 2018, 6:10am

So basically the same that was leaked

Calamity_Sword · January 10, 2018, 6:44am

Yeah. Still want to know what “L Fuharenkyaku: Increase the active time” means.

LockM · January 10, 2018, 6:54am

Probably means it stays on screen longer, travels further before it dissipates. Probably.

Mancubus · January 10, 2018, 7:48am

Thanks for the invitation and the acknowledgement from you guys. I appreciate it. Our little Juri forum has been going on for nearly 3 years now. Glad to be here from (nearly) the beginning ;D

stormdetonation · January 10, 2018, 1:06pm

I figured it’s the window to cancel into other releases the way it was worded before, but now it sounds like what Lockm said.

Was Juri on any of the AE streams yesterday? I was busy with work and missed em.

And what’s the change to c.mp? Could hurtbox changes alone be enough to hope for getting our godlike SF4 AA back?

Also wtf @ that j.hp nerf… did anyone ever use it in the first place?

Frost · January 10, 2018, 7:27pm

It means how long it travels, it dissipates slower.

Calamity_Sword · January 10, 2018, 7:53pm

Juri only appeared on the stream to demo her VT2, didn’t see anything much other than that.

As much as I’d like +oB, I’d really like it to travel further

Frost · January 10, 2018, 8:01pm

no it DOES travel further now, that’s the buff

Dante86dmc · January 11, 2018, 12:47am

As best as you can given the information we have right now from the notes, where do you think this puts Juri and what does it mean for her? I saw Infil seems overall fairly positive and said she’d be decent but I’ve seen so many people saying that Juri is truly dead now. I thought that the patch seemed okay for her. She won’t be incredible but it seemed like she’d have a fighting chance now.

Perfect_Tempest · January 11, 2018, 12:51am

I see people who say that, mainly because they didn’t get what they want(divekick back, counter etc.).

I personally think she will be a solid mid tier at the least, maybe mid-high. These changes are pretty big for her, especially given changes to the game and others as a whole. I’m personally excited.

LockM · January 11, 2018, 12:57am

Who are these people who think she is truly dead now? Aside from some hurtbox changes on some normals(presumably hurtbox increased during recovery) and the inconsiquential change to her j.hp having its startup increased by 1 frame. She only got buffss. Maybe people think she didn’t get enough and that’s why they are saying it though. None of the changes i really wanted happened but i think we’ll undoubtedly see more Juri players do well with her in S3.

Frost · January 11, 2018, 1:00am

She’s in the same spot with the same issues, but she’s better overall.

She’s never been so bad to the point that you can’t win, she just has to work harder for equal ground compared to the entire cast. Only Zeku shares the “limitation within design” problem.

Fatal_Error_XI · January 11, 2018, 1:23am

I’ve got no complaints with her changes. Being able to force a reaction from further away with fireball is nice. Also the longer a fireball stays on screen the better its advantage becomes.

Regarding SRK. It sucks that it’s closing down, especially with such little warning and so close to two big FGs releasing. I joined the Discord already. It’s not that bad, it reminds me of my IRC days playing games like Unreal and Quake. Definitely not a replacement for a forum and the culmination of all of its info though.

stormdetonation · January 11, 2018, 2:06am

Fuck I just realized they hit j.mp with the box changes… air TC is my go to air to air.

Is it for sure that all those changes are to make AAs and whiff punishing easier? I’d be happy as a pig in shit if c.mp made a comeback as an AA.

Typhlosion · January 11, 2018, 11:36am

Yo can I get a discord invite?

Frost · January 11, 2018, 9:44pm

@Typhlosion

ahrenk · January 12, 2018, 2:08am

Characters like Ken got hurtbox changes to his cr.mp as well, so I’m going to assume it’s just to make it easier to whiff punish and not to change it into an AA.

AriesWarlock · January 12, 2018, 8:33am

So the forums are being migrated to a different service, so we are safe.

It will be interesting to see. We are going to need videos on her new strategies and meta @MarLonLonMilk @JusticeSoulTuna !!

iimotion · January 13, 2018, 1:58am

Hey all, was just watching Jaoism’s twitch, who has AE early and happened to be demo’ing Juri, asked him to show her lk fuha at range… it now goes 3/4 of the screen AND travels at a speed that you can walk right behind (a la Birdie) it or even dash in front of… this excites me… vskill mixup potential and can make it safe on block if well-timed, overheads can probably be made safe aswell.