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Just to let everybody know that, despite a critical incident with my channel, the Juri buff list vid is still on the way! I periodically check these forums for suggestions, so rest assured that I am adding all buff ideas to the list. The date Iāll post the vid is coming quite soon too!
On a side note; the truth really is that there just isnāt anything else to learn with Juri that isnāt already out in the open. Besides one or two very specific, situational tech, what we know of Juri is either common knowledge or what Iāve tried to share through my vids, either from what I figured out on my own or based on help from Juri players. So sadly, a lot of conversation around the character has devolved back into complaining about her. There are peaks and surprises when something cool is discovered (like the extensions on crouching opponents), but it only goes so far.
Because you look at other characters and their tools are just solid, so players get to talk about matchups and strategies and making the best of what they have. But once you as a player have pushed yourself to the limit, and gotten the most out of Juri, youāll still hit a wall cause she just canāt do more than the game allows her to, in the current meta. And thatās what makes me sad.
In a way, Iāve found that I enjoy play AS Juri, but not playing Juri against most other characters. Learning stuff with Juri, performing her combos and learning her tech is immensely satisfying. But fighting other players with her is hell tbh. And no amount of tech or in-depth knowledge seems to combat that, when charactersā basic stuff is beating even Juriās advanced stuff. So sure, I believe players need to āgit gudā to get the most from Juri, but we have to also admit, with love for the character, that she needs help. Cause it literally isnāt fair that she has to fight so hard and put in so much technicality to do half as good as other characters who just do stuff.
Ultimately, it very much is a fault of the design of SFV, how it limits creativity and how Juri is stuck in a weird place within the game. And frankly, I would be perfectly happy with Juri being braindead and broken because I like Juri as a character and I played her ALL the way through season 1 and 2, so for better or worse I wonāt drop her (even tho I donāt play SFV much these days). I too think we shouldnāt be so worried about her getting āfree optionsā cause other characters have clear and present bullcrap that makes them good and honestly she could use it too.
Put simply; I love Juri, obviously. But either due to how SFV is, or how the designers dropped the ball with her; Juri got the short end of the stick. And whether she continues to be highly technical and very hard to win with, or if she loses all that and becomes easy wins like other characters, Iāll still play her cause sheās what I care about, not SFV. Real talk, haha.
@JusticeSoulTuna youāll win the interwebs if you open the video with āgive us our usf4 queen back!!!ā
But aside from whatās been iterated on time and again, I think some juggle options would be coolā¦ and true to her roots (rip sf4 j.mp shenanigans). I see some Ken combos and canāt help but wonder why juri lost all her juggle silliness.
And to reiterateā¦ fs.mp needs to come back. All my other big complaints are covered, but damn I miss that normal.
Of the vid topic, I was speak8ng with a training buddy and he said I gotta accept that sheās low tier. I tried arguing, but my only valid point was that sheās almost as good as the top tiers once sheās stored upā¦ if she didnāt take to much dmg to do it. It kind of opened my eyesā¦
Look at usf4 Hakan or necali. Bothe get ridiculously better once buffed (oiled or VT). I think if Juriās stores are gonna stay as hard to get as they are, she need to be stupid good once you get them.
This bottom tier damage till she gets stores, just to be mediocre with all 4 is bull shit.
On a more needy noteā¦
Do you guys have specific poke strings (I donāt know what to call it reallyā¦ like Birdy, Karin, Necali, or even Alex players doā¦ where you hit a series of buttons with no hope of confirming anything, just knowing if you do anything other than block youāll take damage)?
Iāve been utterly wrecked by players of various characters that play like that and wonder if Juri can do it too.
Edit: fought all 3 shots tonight doing it. Itās not hard to srk them a couple times to get them to stop, but stillā¦ itās a decent option till then.
Anyone else miss air specials? I see Chun-liās doing air specials now all the time, and I am like Juri should have her air special back.
Juri is in third place on weakest v-trigger
I miss pretty much everything Juri lost. Considering she got heavily oriented around close range and got her fireball game disassembled youād think theyād have kept her divekick
Actuallty i can live without the divekick even though I miss it. But as you said,considering they made her more focused on close range you would think they gave her actual good buttons,however in reality she can be bullied 24/7.
Has anyone brought up nj.hk? Thatās another really nice tool she lost that Chun still has.
Did, check my earlier posts.
Juri definitely could use/needs buffs but in a game where the worst matchups are 7-3 (and there is only a few of them), she is playable and fun. The problem with this game is how offense based it is. The only real way to move up is to learn match up specifics to get out of pressure to apply your own. Exploit the fact that Guile doesnāt have a 3 or 5 framer and frametrap with sLP sHP, dash under akumaās air firaball and punish accordinglyā¦etc
True, Juri has to try harder with the lack of damage, but she has plenty of tools at her disposal. I hate how many things people want buffed like they want her to turn into another Rashid.
With the lack of time I have to play its hard to learn, and even though a nice buff to her toolkit into something like ibukiās would be nice, it would negate all the extra time I spent trying to learn the ins and outs of her play style.
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I find it funny that you mentioned us wanting to turn Juri into Rashid. You realize heās more JurI that Juri right?
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I played 6 games as Karin for shots and giggles, I had never touched herā¦
I won 3ā¦
We truly love to suffer
Iām not saying that Juri doesnāt need to be buffed, she does, but I donāt want a bunch of low level players to decide what the buffs should be, that will just result in a broken character. Honestly the only thing I would like would be her overhead to be chainable in v trigger, and maybe either make v trigger last a little longer or be 2 bars instead.
Well I can confirm that the buff list contains reasonable suggestions for improving her current skill-set, rather than radical changes to her entire structure. So while this buff list is just a nice community effort thing which likely wonāt change anything, it shows the general consensus that people like her as she is, but just want to see better payoff for her skills.
And to be clear with what I said earlier; I would be perfectly ok with Juri being another Rashid or even Urien or whatever. Cause Iāve never had problems with top tiers, cause i tend to play them. Not out of a āpick a top tierā mentality, but cause I happen to like the character. I get annoyed when fighting and losing to them, but itās usually an annoyance of wanting to know how to beat them. Hence why Iāve gone out of my way to think of Juri tech for every possible scenario. However, if I woke up one day and Juri had insane buffs and was top tier, I wouldnāt then drop her on principle or nonsense like that. I LOVE the character herself and Iāll play her no matter what.
Currently though, that almost feels to be to my detriment, when I can visibly see that playing Mika gets me further for much less. Hell, the month I played Karin I did well too. And consider that Iāve played Juri since the day she came out last year, yet my little play with Mika has gotten me results almost instantly. And truthfully, I find Mika to be quite fun; I always liked her, and I wanted to play her in s1 but I stubbornly stuck to Juri cause I thought, i dunno, it āmeant somethingā to only play Juri and try to be good with her. Meanwhile, people arenāt putting in as much effort yet still having fun and kicking ass with less complex characters. So really, all Iām saying is that I like Juri and I wouldnāt mind if she was stupid and unfair like half the damn SFV cast, haha. But in regards to the buff list, next to no one asked for anything weird or stupid.
I get your concern but Iāll also add that itās also what makes the conversation surrounding Juri so muddled. Not saying that in a mean way, but rather that for all the reasonable suggestions for Juriās improvement, thereās the extreme contingent who thinks sheās perfectly fine and everyone should just āgit gudā, thereās the sort who believe she sucks and should just be easy and have instant payoff, and then thereās the moderate voices inbetween who try to make the best of her but still want help for her. Sadly, the extreme sort gets seen the most, in every reddit thread and comment section blowup. Then thereās Juriās poor performance in tournaments and how it never helps her case, even when the player is decent but still loses like say Hsien Chang. Point is, this is what drove me to create this buff list; to cut through the noise and provide a clearer picture of what people want for the character. And simply put, they want her to be strong. Whether or not it makes her broken or just decent, who the hell knows. But Capcom clearly doesnāt know what to do with her anymore, and SFV itself is stale at the moment for other reasons. So I think, above all else, we should at least want her to be good without worrying about how good that will be, cause I think weāve suffered enough and maybe itās her time to shine, yknow?
@JusticeSoulTuna Out of curiosity, are you forwarding all this info to Capcom via any methods ? Iām talking about the proposed buff list ,her issues and so on.
Off topic : if possible please explain your name. You have the soul of a tuna thatās out to fight for justice or your soul demands justice while catching tuna ? Donāt ask, just curious.
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How about something stupid for a buff for v-trigger. Allow her to recover some v-trigger meter back from succesful v-skill use during v-trigger.
And a teleporting dash like Bisonās lol
Or build v meter when charging v skill.