The problem with youtube is that it gives people ideas too quickly as well. Lot more hivemind mentality where people look at data and numbers and go “oh yeah thats where this character is going”. It doesn’t exactly let people work characters on their own. A lot of it is “wait for X top player and lab monster to do stuff” then of course then easy to call “oh they’re just doing good stuff with a bad character” when the character is doing work. Only when the character is being regularly complained about are they good. Which at that point they’re too good or scrubby. Big cycle.
Complicated doesn’t have to be purely execution. It can just be the amount of things you have to be aware of and perform to make the character strong. Ken while thought of as strong now, is very reliant on reaction intensive one hit confirms and things that are slightly negative on block. He does have things that take advantage of the game system, but its definitely not as straightforward as it is with Necalli or Ryu. Most Ken players truly main Ken due to this. You can’t just fairweather Ken as easily as other characters.
“b-but the distance on her overhead…” so what? I was hitting people at range 2 with her overhead in Ultra 4. The big differences is her overhead actually matches her animation and is airborne in Ultra 4. How the fuck am I about to be ground thrown from an airborne move WHILE I’M IN THE AIR?
This FUCKING game, this FUCKING CHARACTER, I swear to god…
If you think juri is the worst character in the game theres something wrong with you. Shes not an easy character but shes not bad…def not the worst in the game.
Im a Juri player but Im not blind she is ass, still I think she is better than Ibuki. And not because she is ass it doesnt mean you cant win with her because at the end of the day it depends a lot in the player’s skills.
I don’t like juri in this gamebut shes better than Fang, better than Zangief and def better than Bison. I think shes buttcheeks but shes not the worst character.
I like the fact that Juri is not as setplay as many other characters are in this game. Definitely not the worst character, and she is down there on the list, but not dropping her.Definitely can use improvements, and half of the fight is the player themselves. I’m happy she’s even in the game, changes can be made later on. Otherwise, gotta ride the storm with her, good or bad.
She wasn’t exactly great when she was first introduced in SF4 either. Only in USF4 she became a threat, and even there she was outclassed by others.
I suppose it is for the best to try and stop comparing her to her SF4 version ( even though that model was cooler and more effective ). SFV will get its fair share of balance patches,it remains to be seen how Juri will change overtime.
while juri lost that crazy low profiling property of her cr.mk annnnnnd maybe a bit of range on st.mk, capcom gave her some of the best whiff punishing ability with buffered charged vskill or charged HK legs. You can pretty much walk around and throw out mediums all day with a charged vskill behind it and you wont have to worry about any spacing issues or weird hitbox issues trying to connect the cancelled special.
Kind of like how cammy doesnt have to worry about her spiral arrow connecting. With that much range, at least one of the hits is bound to connect.
Juri really grounds me in this game. I Co-main Chun and Mika so using Juri after playing of them really shows me how different things are at the other end of the spectrum.
She is still fun though, i don’t think she is THE worst but she isn’t far away from a bottom 5 position.
I think Alex and Rog are definitely better. She is probably better than Ibuki but i think Guile might be a bit better than both of them.
I think Laura is MUCH better, She is probably on par with FANG and Gief but better than Bison.
I still think Ibuki is the best DLC character, but you have to really get into her to know why. It’s mainly that she has the best momentum of all of the DLC characters and is pretty much always in V Trigger. If a good Ibuki touches you one time, you could be dead whether or not she has V Trigger very soon. You can’t backrise most of her combos and has a combo that forces you into a standing reset. Which means you’re very limited in how you can escape her pressure once she gets started.
Her V Trigger is just a nice bonus to help her close the round or give her room to reload kunais. It’s actually IMO not super integral to her gameplan anymore with all of the setups being found for her that can build your stun and loop pretty easily. I’m usually winning matches before I even use it. It also helps that she has the second best V Skill in the game for building V Meter and one of the better crush counters as well. Which means you can easily choose to build for it if you want or just go for pure early momentum kill. Which also makes using her V Reversals instead of burning V Trigger more viable.
Plus she’s the only one of the DLC with two 3 frame moves an EX DP and a serviceable V Reversal. All of the other DLC cast is missing one of those things and/or has a weaker overall anti pressure game. She doesn’t have the best pure poking buttons, but with her walk speed she can counter poke most of the good ones pretty well with her medium buttons. She has buttons like f+HK that priority crush or low crush most of the good buttons in the game and causes CC.
Kunais are a nice icing on the cake that allow her to shoot under horizontal projectile and stuff attempts to move in on her too quickly. Giving her a ranged presence she hasn’t normally had. Plus one ex meter and one kunai means she gets access to air EX kunai which is one of the scariest neutral closing, pressure starting tools in the game. It can hit you from half way across the screen and put you into a juggle that forces you to only neutral tech and can also standing reset you off of it. Even if you block it, if she does it deep enough she can command dash in on you and basically is in for free regardless.
The issue with Juri and the other DLC characters (maybe save Alex and Rog), is the time you have to spend to optimize them is a good bit above the standard cast. Meaning the majority of top players at this time aren’t going to be bothered to drop easier to use mains to see what’s going on with more involved DLC characters. Same thing is gonna happen with Urien. He has REALLY good buttons, but in order to make him work you’re going to have to learn a lot of involved neutral and setups that isn’t typical for the game. Meaning he will get downplayed for a while.
She’s definitely not the worst DLC character. Alex or Guile are probably the worst and they’re still not that bad. Alex is good if he gets in but a lot of his pressure loses to V Reversal and he’s assed once he’s pressured. His mid range pokes are solid, but not going to win him games alone. Guile is still solid at putting shit on the screen, but a bit more vulnerable with his hurtboxes and not great at coming back in a game where damage and momentum can shift very quickly.
Ibuki is a pretty involved character though so you’re going to need to spend a good bit of time with her to really see why. If you watch people like isa66666 (isa), pugepino (ex pugera) and ACQUAACQUA (acqua) on youtube you’ll see them all doing work. Majorboy has a lot of strong setups and is the number 1 ranked Ibuki online, but I don’t feel his neutral game is as good as the others.
I’m also starting to figure out that b+HK is probably her best way to set up stores also. 7 frame button that’s safe with its range is pretty much the perfect button to throw out to get people to block and get a store back. It’s also special cancelable on both hits whereas Ryu can’t cancel his.
The fact that it’s 2 hits means that you basically get a long ranged heavy poke that gets 2 changes to poke and lead to a store for you. It’s amazing that I can watch videos of Sako and Floe from like yesterday and they’re still not doing this.
Why does her V-trigger depletes so freakin quickly ?
I really don’t know if it is worth it to do any chains with it to be honest. I most just use sweep into LK fireball and meaty st.MK into st.HK after a forward throw.
Also super easy to hit confirm. Not only because it’s 2 hits but also cause you can cancel it really late. It almost always put you in range for a heavy dp as well for some nice damage. Lastly it combos into her qcb special so you can easily hit confirm into super.
