The Spider's Lair - Juri

[Skort]

So what do you guys think they will change until she is added ?

Basic stuff like frame data or even add some new moves ? New normals , new specials ?

[Cipher]

Ha I found the thread!

After I finished the story,I replayed the Juri vs Rashid fight like 20x.
I found some Combos out and have to say.

I love her,she will definitiv be my sub.
I love the new storemechanic and the two new moves,it’s like a mix of regular Juri and Omega Juri.
Her Normals are great. She has her old far.hp and it’s cancleabel.
cr.hp seems to be still an awesome anti-air
st.mk still hits twice.
Her Walkspeed is excellent,fits my style much more.
Her new Splitkick has to be my favourite move since Cannon Spike. Knocks down and looks great. You can see how she enjoys it to do this move.
Is Pinwheel now a DP? Haven’t noticed any invincible frames.

I think her footsies will be great,she might have lost a lot projektile zoning,but in SFV is zoning with normals more potent anyway.

They might only adjust framedatas for now, I doubt they will change a lot.

Love that outfit,love the new animations,love that they made my favourite of her normals(and former most useless) finaly usefull.
Can’t wait to play her final version.

Also is it just me or does Juri realy like Cammy? I see no other reason why she would help her the whole time.

[Ramma]

A lot of you are kinda unsure what to think of SFV Juri in terms of how she’ll play

IMO, she’s probably a pressure character. It’s very clear that her zoning days are gone. I have created some nasty pressure strings with her in story mode.

If she has good advantage on her normals. You are looking at a neutral/pressure character much more like Cammy (fingers crossed), Alex, etc.

People should have played xT more…there’s a little surprise from there…can anyone find it?

Never played xT

Tsk tsk tsk tsk…I’ll give you a hint. It was usable by the whole cast. And it cost no resources.

that’s actually what I thought of when I saw it. It definitely will lead to movement mind games and things like that. It’s a cool little addition to her game.

BTW, do we know what her damage/stun is? Seems better than 900/900, but I have no idea how to gauge Rashid’s output.

[FengShuiEnergy]

A lot of you are kinda unsure what to think of SFV Juri in terms of how she’ll play

IMO, she’s probably a pressure character. It’s very clear that her zoning days are gone. I have created some nasty pressure strings with her in story mode.

If she has good advantage on her normals. You are looking at a neutral/pressure character much more like Cammy (fingers crossed), Alex, etc.

People should have played xT more…there’s a little surprise from there…can anyone find it?

Never played xT

Tsk tsk tsk tsk…I’ll give you a hint. It was usable by the whole cast. And it cost no resources.

that’s actually what I thought of when I saw it. It definitely will lead to movement mind games and things like that. It’s a cool little addition to her game.

BTW, do we know what her damage/stun is? Seems better than 900/900, but I have no idea how to gauge Rashid’s output.

950/950

[StockyJam]

My breakdown of Juri:

s.LP

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/yDynZxq.png

Hits crouchers (well Rashid at least)
Looks like a 3f jab.
Doesn’t seem to be a viable jab AA sadly. I was whiffing it a lot when trying to AA Rashid with it.[/details]

s.MP

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/Bec5ize.png

Her far s.MP is gone sadly, but this now has more reach than the old s.MP
Starts a target combo that pops the opponent high up in the air, and Juri yells at them to piss off lol[/details]

s.HP

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/K6Lt9w7.jpg

Covers a lot more horizontal space above her this time round. With a good chunk of active frames as well, this may be Juri’s best grouded AA normal.
Does not crush counter.[/details]

s.LK

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/RThkQ12.png

Looks like a really good s.LK, similar to Karin’s.[/details]

s.MK

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/FWtKWDG.png

Hits twice as before.
Works as a far distance AA.
Feels stubbier than before. Juri will now remain stationary rather than moving forward slightly like before.[/details]

s.HK

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/ZfKUnl0.png

Hits crouching opponents!
Causes a stagger crush counter so possibly big combos from this.

c.LP

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/x5ksGJi.png

Feels kind of slow compared to her s.LP. Might be a 4f.[/details]

c.MP

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/zMSzm98.png

Tested and this no longer functions as an anti-air sadly. :([/details]

c.HP

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/oEiQvCE.png

Remains a good AA. Seems to come out fast but the active frames are really short.
Causes a crush counter than sends them up in the air.[/details]

c.LK

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/HekbL5u.png

c.MK

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/ZueoQOu.png

Feels stubbier which I think is to be expected. But also looks like it doesn’t low profile anymore. :([/details]

c.HK

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/5XIgyJx.png

j.LP

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/rIWLXGe.png

Looks like a good AA.[/details]

j.MP

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/F1V6vG2.png

Good AA as before. Target combos into a HK that slams the opponent back to the ground.[/details]

j.HP

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/XlTjo8l.png

Stomps are gone. In place is an AA.[/details]

j.LK

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/6Tq0S3L.png

Similar to before. Still crosses up.[/details]

j.HK

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/UAMIQq9.png

Looks to have more horizontal than vertial reach now.[/details]

j.MK

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/Y7jAs1c.png

Crosses up still.[/details]

b.HK

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/Km3WW7T.png

Reminds me a lot of Ryu’s axe kick now, seems to cover a lot of space. The first hit will catch people jumping directly above or in your face, the 2nd hit will slam jumpers back to the ground.[/details]

f.MK

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/WvyhWSd.png

Her overhead, which looks a lot like her old FA for some reason.
I’ve tried a dozen times, and it seems you CANNOT combo into a s.LP from it while in v-trigger. Very sad times, takes away a lot of the scariness of FSE.[/details]

Store:

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/IcMjx1U.png

Feels a little sluggish than before.
You no longer hold down a button to keep the store. You simply have to repeat the same motion+button again to release e.g. do LK Store followed by LK store again to release her fireball.

http://i.imgur.com/i3qCz9L.png

The game will tell you what you are storing with her own resource meter.
Honestly I only see this as a nerf, as it completely removes her store mindgames and I hope they remove this…

http://i.imgur.com/DyxJnRG.png

EX Store will cause Juri to do a series of rush kicks that starts from a low. The sequence is the same no matter what you may have stored, or what button combination you used.

LK Release:

http://i.imgur.com/1aXYCfk.jpg

The LK fireball now moves very slowly and doesn’t cover a whole lot of distance. The distance you see the fireball travelling in the screenshot is basically its max range (note that the screen is not showing Juri kicking out the fireball, she’s doing another charge).
LK fireball seems to have changed from a zoning tool to a setup tool. I noted that forward throw basically puts the opponent within perfect setup range of the fireball, but quick rising completely defeats it so I’m not sure what’s their plan on this. Back and air throw also puts you within a good setup distance as well.
The hitstun on the fireball is now VERY low. You cannot use it to extend combos anymore, not even in the corner.
Juri can follow her fireball in Guile style.

MK Release:

http://i.imgur.com/J96N8fE.png

Juri does a jaguar kick
It’s not an overhead (Sorry, KoP)
It seems to have replaced LK fireball as Juri’s combo extending move.

HK Release:

http://i.imgur.com/afM99Br.png

Juri does a 2-hit rush combo.[/details]

Pinwheel:

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/Nx1kg2j.jpg

Only the LK pinwheel looks similar to the old LK Pinwheel. MK and HK pinwheel will now rise up in the air acting as AA DPs.
I have no idea if they also function as reversal DPs, my gut feeling is that only EX pinwheel will if she even gets a legit reversal.

http://i.imgur.com/I6BT4mf.png

EX Pinwheel looks similar to HK Pinwheel, but with an additional kick followup that slams the opponent to the ground.[/details]

Splitkick

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/ITUJU1e.png

Surprisingly, neither the regular or the EX version is an overhead! I can only assume this move is not complete, as this move screams overhead and would be pretty pointless if it wasn’t.[/details]

CA

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/nYyeqtx.jpg

Her CA covers a surprising amount of distance. Looks to be at least ¾ of the screen along with a high hitbox.[/details]

FSE (V-Trigger)

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/WEFKHwR.png

Fireball travels full screen (will disappear if the opponent dash further than full screen though), and faster.
You no longer have to store while in FSE, instead you will do the respective attacks straight away.
Using your store attacks will consume about 1/6th of your v-trigger.
You can chain your normals as before.
As previously mentioned, you can no longer combo f.MK into s.LP :([/details]

V-reversal

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/ZMXLPhc.png

Looks flashy, but also looks like you’re going to die if the opponent blocks it.[/details]

V-Skill

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/MMaI9dV.png

This move can be charge up to 3 stages:
Tap: Juri will do a short dash behind the opponent and perform a crossup attack.
Partial charge: Juri will travel further and hit from the front before doing the crossup attack.
Max charge: Juri will travel full screen, will disappear (but you can still trace her from her speedlines), and hit from the front then back.
It doesn’t seem to have any armor/guardpoints at any point, so charging to max doesn’t seem to be practical.
Seems to go through fireballs (at least the max charge version did). So this is probably meant to replace her divekick.
Builds a good chunk of V-gauge on hit.[/details]

Backdash

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/aWTVtNT.png

Not very fast, but covers a fair amount of distance.[/details]

Forward dash

[details=Spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/M8hgf2E.png

Pretty fast, but doesn’t cover a lot of ground.[/details]

Walk speed
Forward walk feels very fast.
Back walk is rather slow on the other hand. Backdashing feels neccesary if you are trying to create distance.

Jumps
Her jumps feel kind of floaty. Not Chun bad but I definitely don’t feel comfortable doing raw jumps with her.

Waaaaaaaaaaaait a minute here.
wait wait wait,
let me get this straight…
when you said that you cant combo into or out of her overhead while in FSE alpha i said to myself…“well thats because her axe/jaquar kick is an overhead” but now you have discovered its not.
So i said to myself "welp, then at least there’s her heel drop/split kick. with that we can open up our opponent’s defense mid combo"
But thats not an overhead either???

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m580/Axl_m4ster/louis%20wat_zpsf0w2o8wx.gif

er…

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m580/Axl_m4ster/bakuman-ep-14-5_zpsmuu9we9r.jpg

um…

what does Capcom expect us to do with this character again?

She cant combo into or out of her overhead AND none of her moves that look like overhead work as an overhead?!?!?
So she cant pressure anyone out of blocking, dropping their guard and she cant play keep away with any fireball game either?!?!?!
So she’s been transformed into a rushdown character… that no one is scared of and can just hold down back all day on her?

Oh…kay then.

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t362/maddielikesgifs/sassy%20and%20flip%20it%20over/tumblr_lydj71yW8t1qiz7f9o1_250.gif

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m580/Axl_m4ster/a6eb6262eca5267eb7449387da9f3fab_zpsfkqjmglj.gif

Aaaaaaaaaaaand i’m out.

see ya at the Ryu forums.

[FengShuiEnergy]

Have fun playing ryu.

[Class_Real]

A lot of you are kinda unsure what to think of SFV Juri in terms of how she’ll play

IMO, she’s probably a pressure character. It’s very clear that her zoning days are gone. I have created some nasty pressure strings with her in story mode.

If she has good advantage on her normals. You are looking at a neutral/pressure character much more like Cammy (fingers crossed), Alex, etc.

She lacks a lot of the tools they have though. Her corner pressure is only scary while she has either light or medium charges ready, that’s going to be a pretty significant disadvantage for her. Unless we find some decent combos/they change her frame data then all anyone has to do is block until we run out of charges. That’s why I’m having some trouble seeing how she’ll be played. Cammy’s pressure is great because she has reliable easy confirms, a good shimmy, and scores a knockdown after every combo. Juri’s only got those in V-Trigger and V-Trigger doesn’t really last long enough to bet your whole game on. V-Skill isn’t even safe and FSE is 3 bars so we won’t be getting to it easily like Nash and Necalli do.

I think they’ll make a bunch of changes before she’s out though, so it’s no big deal right now. You could fix most of her biggest problems by letting her combo after her low fireball again. It wouldn’t be overpowered since you still have to store it, your opponent can always see that you’ve stored it, and she can’t otherwise combo mediums into mediums or mediums into heavies. At first I figured you couldn’t do it because they didn’t want you to have Guile combos in V-Trigger, but her fireball knocks down in V-Trigger so that’s not even a problem. Give her that and now she doesn’t have to land a raw jump in to start her combos.

[The_Ultimate]

Waaaaaaaaaaaait a minute here.
wait wait wait,
let me get this straight…
when you said that you cant combo into or out of her overhead while in FSE alpha i said to myself…“well thats because her axe/jaquar kick is an overhead” but now you have discovered its not.
So i said to myself "welp, then at least there’s her heel drop/split kick. with that we can open up our opponent’s defense mid combo"
But thats not an overhead either???

er…

um…

what does Capcom expect us to do with this character again?

She cant combo into or out of her overhead AND none of her moves that look like overhead work as an overhead?!?!?
So she cant pressure anyone out of blocking, dropping their guard and she cant play keep away with any fireball game either?!?!?!
So she’s been transformed into a rushdown character… that no one is scared of and can just hold down back all day on her?

Oh…kay then.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand i’m out.

see ya at the Ryu forums.

Come back in a month where a lot of these frames and hit properties will be changed. Until then, play Ryu.

[FengShuiEnergy]

A lot of you are kinda unsure what to think of SFV Juri in terms of how she’ll play

IMO, she’s probably a pressure character. It’s very clear that her zoning days are gone. I have created some nasty pressure strings with her in story mode.

If she has good advantage on her normals. You are looking at a neutral/pressure character much more like Cammy (fingers crossed), Alex, etc.

She lacks a lot of the tools they have though. Her corner pressure is only scary while she has either light or medium charges ready, that’s going to be a pretty significant disadvantage for her. Unless we find some decent combos/they change her frame data then all anyone has to do is block until we run out of charges. That’s why I’m having some trouble seeing how she’ll be played. Cammy’s pressure is great because she has reliable easy confirms, a good shimmy, and scores a knockdown after every combo. Juri’s only got those in V-Trigger and V-Trigger doesn’t really last long enough to bet your whole game on. V-Skill isn’t even safe and FSE is 3 bars so we won’t be getting to it easily like Nash and Necalli do.

I think they’ll make a bunch of changes before she’s out though, so it’s no big deal right now. You could fix most of her biggest problems by letting her combo after her low fireball again. It wouldn’t be overpowered since you still have to store it, your opponent can always see that you’ve stored it, and she can’t otherwise combo mediums into mediums or mediums into heavies. At first I figured you couldn’t do it because they didn’t want you to have Guile combos in V-Trigger, but her fireball knocks down in V-Trigger so that’s not even a problem. Give her that and now she doesn’t have to land a raw jump in to start her combos.

There’s still alot you don’t know…alot.

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

I don’t like any of her revised normals at all. I miss the range on crouching medium kick. I miss the anti air potential of crouching medium punch. I hate the new angle of crouch fierce. I miss the neutral jump roundhouse. I miss my jumping fierce gonna stomp.

All of her best buttons got completely fucking destroyed. I don’t even know what the fuck her neutral game is supposed to be like now. I don’t know what her footsie plan is supposed to be. This current pre-release iteration of Juri was designed by somebody that hated the character. Plain and simple. I don’t see any potential for a threatening character whatsoever. I see a worthless fanservice character that capcom thinks will print them money.

If they don’t fix pretty much all of this shit I’m pretty much just gonna sell street fighter. I am a loyalist and I will give her a shot, but I won’t play a game where my favorite character gets smacked with a nerf bat harder than Honda. Not doing it.

I don’t mind the special changes. They’re kind of neat. But they need to fix ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of her normals.

[Hawkingbird]

I don’t like any of her revised normals at all. I miss the range on crouching medium kick. I miss the anti air potential of crouching medium punch. I hate the new angle of crouch fierce. I miss the neutral jump roundhouse. I miss my jumping fierce gonna stomp.

All of her best buttons got completely fucking destroyed. I don’t even know what the fuck her neutral game is supposed to be like now. I don’t know what her footsie plan is supposed to be. This current pre-release iteration of Juri was designed by somebody that hated the character. Plain and simple. I don’t see any potential for a threatening character whatsoever. I see a worthless fanservice character that capcom thinks will print them money.

If they don’t fix pretty much all of this shit I’m pretty much just gonna sell street fighter. I am a loyalist and I will give her a shot, but I won’t play a game where my favorite character gets smacked with a nerf bat harder than Honda. Not doing it.

I don’t mind the special changes. They’re kind of neat. But they need to fix ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of her normals.

Sounds to me you just need to figure out how to use the new normals.

[Igydigital]

Right now, I am not liking her too much. I really miss the dive kick and fireball store…She looks really cool, and I hope they change certain things about her. I’ll be honest, every juri player wanted at least the SFxT version. IMO, that version she was great. Yes, she should have new moves…but no overhead link? She seems like she may be extremely unsafe. For that, I’ll stay with Rashid. Plain and simple. A man version of juri. Better even…I don’t know…still confused.

[Dizz_88]

wow they completely changed her, i really wished they kept her store mechanic the way it was. c.mk has terrible range, no more neutral heavy kick (chun-li still has hers), all of her special moves are different…

this sucks, they ruined juri

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

I don’t like any of her revised normals at all. I miss the range on crouching medium kick. I miss the anti air potential of crouching medium punch. I hate the new angle of crouch fierce. I miss the neutral jump roundhouse. I miss my jumping fierce gonna stomp.

All of her best buttons got completely fucking destroyed. I don’t even know what the fuck her neutral game is supposed to be like now. I don’t know what her footsie plan is supposed to be. This current pre-release iteration of Juri was designed by somebody that hated the character. Plain and simple. I don’t see any potential for a threatening character whatsoever. I see a worthless fanservice character that capcom thinks will print them money.

If they don’t fix pretty much all of this shit I’m pretty much just gonna sell street fighter. I am a loyalist and I will give her a shot, but I won’t play a game where my favorite character gets smacked with a nerf bat harder than Honda. Not doing it.

I don’t mind the special changes. They’re kind of neat. But they need to fix ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of her normals.

Sounds to me you just need to figure out how to use the new normals.

I’m saying that the replacements for all of her best buttons are all inferior to what they used to be.

[Zonk]

M DP seems to be invincible after startup, which makes it an amazing AA. EX is fully invincible.

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

I’m on mobile so I can’t tell who disagreed, but if you were an avid Juri player you have to be a mad man to tell me that

CR.mk
CR.mp
CR.hp
Nj.hk
J.hp

Were all worse in Sf4 and SFxTK. If you think that those buttons are better on her current iteration then please excuse yourself. Argue their current uses(if any) all you want. They are not better in 5.

[Hecatom]

I don’t like any of her revised normals at all. I miss the range on crouching medium kick. I miss the anti air potential of crouching medium punch. I hate the new angle of crouch fierce. I miss the neutral jump roundhouse. I miss my jumping fierce gonna stomp.

All of her best buttons got completely fucking destroyed. I don’t even know what the fuck her neutral game is supposed to be like now. I don’t know what her footsie plan is supposed to be. This current pre-release iteration of Juri was designed by somebody that hated the character. Plain and simple. I don’t see any potential for a threatening character whatsoever. I see a worthless fanservice character that capcom thinks will print them money.

If they don’t fix pretty much all of this shit I’m pretty much just gonna sell street fighter. I am a loyalist and I will give her a shot, but I won’t play a game where my favorite character gets smacked with a nerf bat harder than Honda. Not doing it.

I don’t mind the special changes. They’re kind of neat. But they need to fix ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of her normals.

Is there a thread where you don’t complain about something?

[StockyJam]

I’m on mobile so I can’t tell who disagreed, but if you were an avid Juri player you have to be a mad man to tell me that

CR.mk
CR.mp
CR.hp
Nj.hk
J.hp

Were all worse in Sf4 and SFxTK. If you think that those buttons are better on her current iteration then please excuse yourself. Argue their current uses(if any) all you want. They are not better in 5.

nigga you should know that its FengShuiEnergy thats disagreeing with anyone that saying anything negative about Juri.
his finger is already exhausted hitting the disagree on me, you, and everyone else here.

i understands he wants to love Juri wholeheartly, so do we…but…she’s got major faults.
Yesterday we were all hyped, due to ignorance.
Today we are no longer ignorant of her moveset and what it can and cant do.
And she is looking booty right now.
i’m not saying i want a copy & paste version of SF4 Juri. nah hell no.
but shes looking booty af right now.

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

I don’t like any of her revised normals at all. I miss the range on crouching medium kick. I miss the anti air potential of crouching medium punch. I hate the new angle of crouch fierce. I miss the neutral jump roundhouse. I miss my jumping fierce gonna stomp.

All of her best buttons got completely fucking destroyed. I don’t even know what the fuck her neutral game is supposed to be like now. I don’t know what her footsie plan is supposed to be. This current pre-release iteration of Juri was designed by somebody that hated the character. Plain and simple. I don’t see any potential for a threatening character whatsoever. I see a worthless fanservice character that capcom thinks will print them money.

If they don’t fix pretty much all of this shit I’m pretty much just gonna sell street fighter. I am a loyalist and I will give her a shot, but I won’t play a game where my favorite character gets smacked with a nerf bat harder than Honda. Not doing it.

I don’t mind the special changes. They’re kind of neat. But they need to fix ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of her normals.

Is there a thread where you don’t complain about something?

Vidya gaem thread. Anime thread. Hentai thread. GD lounge.

[FengShuiEnergy]

Oh well…