The Sonic the hedgehog thread V.7 2017 its been generations since the last good sonic game

Freakmonkey · June 20, 2014, 9:50pm

drwill439:

Freakmonkey:

GespenstRitter:

crotchpuncha:

The writing is made to appeal to kids, this is a kids franchise man.

I don’t really have a stock in this franchise; I don’t care if this game or show does well or not. But justifying bad writing by saying “it’s just for kids” is the reason why so many terrible kids’ media gets created.

It’s a very slippery slope. On one hand I do have stake in this somehow and I want it to be enjoyable, but on the other hand I wonder if being critical of it will even make a difference when I’m not even the focus for Sega. You have a point, just because it’s for kids, doesn’t mean we should expect less of it. I get the feeling that Sega does have the ability to make it completely enjoyable for all ages, just hire the right writers. But I don’t think they’ll do that, cause the possible fans they could get from making it smarter could just alienate the kids that they want to pull. And they don’t want adolescents, they want snot nosed elementary schoolers, so I imagine it’d be easy to lose them.

But a good writer knows how not to alienate those who don’t catch every single joke, right?

Good point, although I’m not sure exactly how that would work since I’m not a very experienced writer myself. I get the feeling that no matter how you write it, there will be a section of your audience that doesn’t get it. Especially when writing for children. But then again, plenty of animated movies manage to do it. Idunno

Shadow_Ace · June 20, 2014, 10:15pm

this doesnt even make sense…

Blindknagg · June 20, 2014, 10:25pm

Knucks doesn’t need legs anyway, he can walk with his arms.

drwill439 · June 20, 2014, 10:34pm

Freakmonkey:

drwill439:

Freakmonkey:

GespenstRitter:

crotchpuncha:

The writing is made to appeal to kids, this is a kids franchise man.

I don’t really have a stock in this franchise; I don’t care if this game or show does well or not. But justifying bad writing by saying “it’s just for kids” is the reason why so many terrible kids’ media gets created.

It’s a very slippery slope. On one hand I do have stake in this somehow and I want it to be enjoyable, but on the other hand I wonder if being critical of it will even make a difference when I’m not even the focus for Sega. You have a point, just because it’s for kids, doesn’t mean we should expect less of it. I get the feeling that Sega does have the ability to make it completely enjoyable for all ages, just hire the right writers. But I don’t think they’ll do that, cause the possible fans they could get from making it smarter could just alienate the kids that they want to pull. And they don’t want adolescents, they want snot nosed elementary schoolers, so I imagine it’d be easy to lose them.

But a good writer knows how not to alienate those who don’t catch every single joke, right?

Good point, although I’m not sure exactly how that would work since I’m not a very experienced writer myself. I get the feeling that no matter how you write it, there will be a section of your audience that doesn’t get it. Especially when writing for children. But then again, plenty of animated movies manage to do it. Idunno

There’s undoubtedly always gonna be a section of the audience that doesn’t get it, but they normally don’t fall inside of the demographic that the creators are shooting at. When the writers start to alienate the people that they are trying to attract, then they’re not doing it right. Sure, I understand moving the series more towards kids, but they can’t forget about adults. The 20+ age group grew up playing Sonic games and watching the shows. Ignoring them in lieu of a show that wouldn’t even partially appeal to that group is, in my opinion, not the best move on Sega’s part.

Saitsu · June 20, 2014, 10:44pm

It doesn’t have to.

RenyNoise · June 20, 2014, 10:50pm

The best way to represent Knuckles personality wise is to base him straight off of how he is in the Archie Comics. Honestly it wasn’t until later in the Sonic X series when Knuckles started to be written as an idiot, and fucking Yami was voicing him, before he was portrayed as a cool and collected badass. “Knuckles never runs from a fight”

He get’s tricked alot because he was isolated growing up living alone on Angel Island guarding the Master Emerald, he doesn’t understand what may be common to someone who has dealt with meeting random people often, Knuckles only assumes good nature. Writers have taken that little flaw for just plain old stupidity for too long. He may have been tricked by Eggman in Sonic 3, but Knuckles accomplished many feats, feats that an idiot can’t accomplish.

Ambushing Sonic and beating him out of his super form, AND he stole the emeralds.
Putting Sonic through hell during his time on the island by having preset traps prepared.
Realizing his mistakes and helping Sonic afterwards.

Knuckles is not an idiot and I need Sega to put more effort into making him cool again, he was designed to be cooler than Sonic anyway, because when I was a kid they had me convinced he was the coolest. Kids now days are gonna think of him as nothing more than an big idiot.

Smashbro29 · June 20, 2014, 11:00pm

RenyNoise:

The best way to represent Knuckles personality wise is to base him straight off of how he is in the Archie Comics. Honestly it wasn’t until later in the Sonic X series when Knuckles started to be written as an idiot, and fucking Yami was voicing him, before he was portrayed as a cool and collected badass. “Knuckles never runs from a fight”

He get’s tricked alot because he was isolated growing up living alone on Angel Island guarding the Master Emerald, he doesn’t understand what may be common to someone who has dealt with meeting random people often, Knuckles only assumes good nature. Writers have taken that little flaw for just plain old stupidity for too long. He may have been tricked by Eggman in Sonic 3, but Knuckles accomplished many feats, feats that an idiot can’t accomplish.

Ambushing Sonic and beating him out of his super form, AND he stole the emeralds.

Putting Sonic through hell during his time on the island by having preset traps prepared.

Realizing his mistakes and helping Sonic afterwards.

Knuckles is not an idiot and I need Sega to put more effort into making him cool again, he was designed to be cooler than Sonic anyway, because when I was a kid they had me connived he was the coolest. Kids now days are gonna think of him as nothing more than an big idiot.

Thanks Waldo.

RenyNoise · June 20, 2014, 11:01pm

LMAO, That’s Waldo Faldo.

Smashbro29 · June 20, 2014, 11:11pm

My bad. It’s been a while.

Why aren’t you on TV anymore?

Freakmonkey · June 24, 2014, 1:43am

drwill439:

Freakmonkey:

drwill439:

Freakmonkey:

GespenstRitter:

crotchpuncha:

The writing is made to appeal to kids, this is a kids franchise man.

I don’t really have a stock in this franchise; I don’t care if this game or show does well or not. But justifying bad writing by saying “it’s just for kids” is the reason why so many terrible kids’ media gets created.

It’s a very slippery slope. On one hand I do have stake in this somehow and I want it to be enjoyable, but on the other hand I wonder if being critical of it will even make a difference when I’m not even the focus for Sega. You have a point, just because it’s for kids, doesn’t mean we should expect less of it. I get the feeling that Sega does have the ability to make it completely enjoyable for all ages, just hire the right writers. But I don’t think they’ll do that, cause the possible fans they could get from making it smarter could just alienate the kids that they want to pull. And they don’t want adolescents, they want snot nosed elementary schoolers, so I imagine it’d be easy to lose them.

But a good writer knows how not to alienate those who don’t catch every single joke, right?

Good point, although I’m not sure exactly how that would work since I’m not a very experienced writer myself. I get the feeling that no matter how you write it, there will be a section of your audience that doesn’t get it. Especially when writing for children. But then again, plenty of animated movies manage to do it. Idunno

There’s undoubtedly always gonna be a section of the audience that doesn’t get it, but they normally don’t fall inside of the demographic that the creators are shooting at. When the writers start to alienate the people that they are trying to attract, then they’re not doing it right. Sure, I understand moving the series more towards kids, but they can’t forget about adults. The 20+ age group grew up playing Sonic games and watching the shows. Ignoring them in lieu of a show that wouldn’t even partially appeal to that group is, in my opinion, not the best move on Sega’s part.

I wouldn’t say that they’re ignoring us as much as they are expanding their audience. They already have us, we’ll play the Sonic Team games. But they can use this to get a whole new audience as well.

Sonichuman · June 24, 2014, 12:06pm

Sonic turned 23 yesterday.

https://i.imgur.com/HXFIiOI.jpg

various versions of Green Hill Zone

Spoiler

BONUS STAGE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeYmkH_bkHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YWHDxyRL4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIoe_2DXrMs

Go save your friends out of those robots and send that evil scientist packing to celebrate. You know you wanna.

Smashbro29 · June 24, 2014, 12:11pm

The more I think about it the Boom design’s validity as the next redesign is questionable. It’s just as valid as the Archie comic and DIC cartoon designs.

Official but not mainline. Your info-graphic made me think of that.

Rokmode · June 24, 2014, 12:12pm

you forgot the sonic adventure 2 greenhill

I actually really liked that stage
It crossed over the 2 worlds quite well

although I guess you were aiming for music which the remixed theme in that game isn’t anything particularly special

Sonichuman · June 24, 2014, 9:52pm

Yeah I didn’t actually forget SA2’s green hill but I wasn’t really a fan of the composition and the sound for that version of GHZ. I guess I just find it boring to me in comparison to Generation’s Classic version of it which almost sounds identical but the small added parts here and there to it actually elevate it enough to be different and good imo…specifically the bass and drums. They also did a really good job of redoing the synth and making it not as high pitched in areas. If there was any empty space in OG GHZ’s composition then I think Generation’s Classic GHZ filled it.

I really wished they had done DLC stages for Generations…you could have had my whole pocket Sega. I want to give you money but you won’t let me!

Smashbro29 · June 24, 2014, 9:56pm

They did. By they I mean modders. There’s a ton, go nuts.

Sonichuman · June 24, 2014, 10:37pm

I don’t game on PC anymore. And I’d like to have the redone music to go along with the stages which the modders lack despite the great work they’ve put in.

Edit:

Speaking of music. If there’s one aspect that of Sonic Boom that I’m having a hard time being even slightly optimistic on at this point it’s the music…I have strong feeling right now that it’s not going to live up to the standard for the series.

Rokmode · June 24, 2014, 11:04pm

Sonichuman:

Rokmode:

you forgot the sonic adventure 2 greenhill

I actually really liked that stage
It crossed over the 2 worlds quite well

although I guess you were aiming for music which the remixed theme in that game isn’t anything particularly special

Yeah I didn’t actually forget SA2’s green hill but I wasn’t really a fan of the composition and the sound for that version of GHZ. I guess I just find it boring to me in comparison to Generation’s Classic version of it which almost sounds identical but the small added parts here and there to it actually elevate it enough to be different and good imo…specifically the bass and drums. They also did a really good job of redoing the synth and making it not as high pitched in areas. If there was any empty space in OG GHZ’s composition then I think Generation’s Classic GHZ filled it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1EgjopvEE#t=152

I really wished they had done DLC stages for Generations…you could have had my whole pocket Sega. I want to give you money but you won’t let me!

yeah I was talking more about the stage itself which I personally found and still find to be more fun than generation’s modern version. The generations version might be more fun if you weren’t holding boost for 95% of the stage >_>

Smashbro29 · June 24, 2014, 11:21pm

Yeah but you can’t argue with free.

Also, I got Generations on PS3 at midnight, were people really happy with 30fps and those fucking load times? I got it for 7.50 on Steam a few months later and never looked back.

drwill439 · June 24, 2014, 11:30pm

Smashbro29:

Sonichuman:

Smashbro29:

Sonichuman:

Rokmode:

you forgot the sonic adventure 2 greenhill

I actually really liked that stage
It crossed over the 2 worlds quite well

although I guess you were aiming for music which the remixed theme in that game isn’t anything particularly special

I really wished they had done DLC stages for Generations…you could have had my whole pocket Sega. I want to give you money but you won’t let me!

They did. By they I mean modders. There’s a ton, go nuts.

I don’t game on PC anymore. And I’d like to have the redone music to go along with the stages which the modders lack despite the great work they’ve put in.

Yeah but you can’t argue with free.

Also, I got Generations on PS3 at midnight, were people really happy with 30fps and those fucking load times? I got it for 7.50 on Steam a few months later and never looked back.

Normally I’m all for the ‘PC MASTER RACE’ argument, but in all honesty, playing PC has its downfalls too. The worst you can say about a console game 90% of the time is that it sucks. PC games come with technical errors and all other sorts of issues, sometimes even on great computers. Shit load times? I’d take that over the game not fucking working.

Smashbro29 · June 24, 2014, 11:36pm

drwill439:

Smashbro29:

Sonichuman:

Smashbro29:

Sonichuman:

Rokmode:

you forgot the sonic adventure 2 greenhill

I actually really liked that stage
It crossed over the 2 worlds quite well

although I guess you were aiming for music which the remixed theme in that game isn’t anything particularly special

I really wished they had done DLC stages for Generations…you could have had my whole pocket Sega. I want to give you money but you won’t let me!

They did. By they I mean modders. There’s a ton, go nuts.

I don’t game on PC anymore. And I’d like to have the redone music to go along with the stages which the modders lack despite the great work they’ve put in.

Yeah but you can’t argue with free.

Also, I got Generations on PS3 at midnight, were people really happy with 30fps and those fucking load times? I got it for 7.50 on Steam a few months later and never looked back.

Normally I’m all for the ‘PC MASTER RACE’ argument, but in all honesty, playing PC has its downfalls too. The worst you can say about a console game 90% of the time is that it sucks. PC games come with technical errors and all other sorts of issues, sometimes even on great computers. Shit load times? I’d take that over the game not fucking working.

First off, can we stop using memes to describe things?

Second, yes it does. It really does. But it’s pretty rare to have a game flat out not work in my 3+ years of being on PC. I actually stopped playing Sonic Generations on PS3 because I love to play the levels over and over but the loading was so obnoxious it made doing that a huge chore, getting a game over (to try the stage again if I messed up) meant like 2-3 minutes of bullshit.