What is there to learn lol. You just manually tell your workers to mine gold instead of letting them do it automatically.
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This is not convincing me buktooth is the player the tier list thread are claiming him to be.
Finally got videos of the GUTS tournament of AutopilotGod I was talking about:
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vs LuckyD wasn’t too bad (probably cuz Ibuki favored) but against Weaksauce, lol.
Even though that Ryu player was super solid, I’d actually have to agree with this.
The Buktooth I remember told us not to do random jumps or terribly spaced slides (here! actually: http://shoryuken.com/2012/10/01/lost-strategy-series-street-fighter-pros-share-their-secrets-to-winning-day-3-buktooth/ ) but that stuff doesn’t quite coincide with what that video shows us. Also he kind of just simply spammed LK Tsumuji instead of using those Tsumuji tips he gave.
I couldn’t watch the Buktooth replay till the end. Seeing cr.HK HK target combo as a punish was too much
Anyway now I know where did I read his name: on those awesome strategy articles!
About DragonGod… May we critique him as much as we want, he’s consistently making it out of the pools and placing high with his Ibuki. Enough for me to say that he’s a good player. At least, better than both of us dying in pools ^^
So awesome he doesn’t even follow his own advice.
Proof please.
Top 8 Summer Jam maybe??
this is amusing. let’s all cherry pick everybody’s worst matches we can find and roast each other. sound good?
i suppose you guys here never have off days, particularly after not playing at all for about half a year. did any of you even go to evo?
anyway this isn’t a pissing contest. give me some good arguments about why my matchup numbers are wrong (they’re not all mine btw, there’s obviously two sides to a matchup). i’ll give you guys exactly one reply, most of which is probably already in the tier thread
EDIT: you know what, not wasting my time. have fun losing to cammy, rufus, seth etc. and blaming the matchup instead of learning
Why is it that everytime a top player posts on the forums, it’s because they got mad over what someone said on the internet and not because they have tech/ideas to bring to the table?
edit: Somewhere in the world, at least one person is going to think you’re a noob. Just deal with it and move on.
Anyways, the matchup number that’s probably the most debated would probably be the Cammy 6-4 matchup in Ibuki’s favor. There’s already several arguments in the matchup thread as to why the matchup should be Cammy favored (at least slightly), such as an incredibly strong dive kick game, a strong frame trap game, a dominant walk speed backed with excellent normals, and etc.
Nice to finally see you here =)
As for arguments, you can find some on the tier list thread, courtesy of myself: http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/ssf4-tier-list-thread-reboot-super-ae-updated-02-01-09/116532page-390
Copy pasta if you feel lazy:
Rufus:
Cammy (your opinion + mine in bold)
If I missed something, feel free. I’d be happy to know some secret tech I possibly missed against Cammy/Rufus
Also:
Sad, but true. Instead of going mad because somebody found a bad video from you (which happens a lot of time if you play on a lot of streams for sure), arguments to help us as Ibuki players to have a better understanding of the matchup are very welcome. When going on Cammy or Sakura boards for example, I see awesome players such as Alioune or Skatan posting everywhere, helping people, showing new tech. Too bad we don’t have one of those “leaders” here. And until further due, my personal opinion is that the Ibuki board’s leader is Mingo for all the awesome knowledge/tech he shared.
Also, Alioune is going to the US for the SF25 tournament. What would be truly awesome if you guys are up to is to arrange a FT10 or something like that between both of you. I’d be eager to see how you handle the matchup since I probably do it wrong. Moreover, I believe you are from the West Coast, right?
Other than that, if you only want to post here to complain, you better just not post and leave us trying to find new techs in peace. Or you could bring in the table some tech we don’t know (aside from this, I guess it would have been nice to post it earlier on the Ibuki board but meh).
you misunderstand me; you’d be hard pressed to find a player that cares less about what people think about him than me. like i said, i just find this whole situation very amusing from my point of view. it’s even funnier that i put up a post in this thread and all of a sudden i’ve become a top player!
i was going to do my normal thing and spend time replying here before i thought better of it. i’ve spent (wasted?) way too much time in my life trying to spread information on srk. i immediately regretted spending time writing up arguments for the matchup chart discussion, and i already immediately regret the time i’m wasting writing this post. i asked the matchup chart dude to not put my name on the list of contributors specifically to avoid having to field questions; unfortunately he ignored that
i’ve written up most of my core points already, and even an out of practice dinosaur like me rarely loses those matchups to this day. you can give these proven tactics a try, or maybe put some brain sweat in and try to figure out why these things work. or, we can do the srk thing and just dismiss these points, talking about why they shouldn’t work
(as I said I did not know you before and people keep telling me “he’s a top player”, so I guess you are =D )
So here is what you call proven techniques agains Cammy, and my take on this:
*- *Mash U1 between links because Cammy is a frame trap character and it may work
*- *Do a reversal HK command dash after a spiral arrow because according to you, it’ll escape meaty dive kicks (which, and that is a proven technique since even Alioune told you so, does not work at all if the setup is a meaty CS) . Note: Command dash escapes high dive kicks afaik (those aimed to be crossup/very ambiguous)
- Backdash at point blank range (so if Cammy mashes DP and Ibuki is airborne, it will obviously not hit Ibuki since you said so. Those times I tried to backdash Cammy must have changed)
- Try Ibuki’s best character-specific combos, aka Tsumuji loop, against Cammy, even if Mingo’s spreadsheets ( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqClL3kJPchYdFlDd0VhMmt4R0w3TVdJQ2hHX29GLUE#gid=0 ) say the opposite and even if I also personnaly tried to confirm that it wouldn’t work. The only actual damaging combo working on cammy is the j.HP cr.HP j.kunai - TC4 - special, but I’ve yet to see anyway to use close cr.HP against Cammy
- Jump air throw on Cammy because she is obviously gonna do jump EX CS all day, and in case she does jump HK, I’ll just say “but I read Buktooth told us that at this range I should jump air throw”
- Assume that Cammy is a focus-heavy character, even if I’ve yet to see guys like Kindevu, Alioune or Chi-Rithy actually “heavily use focus”
About Rufus, I can possibly trust you here since as a West-coaster I guess you played plenty of times against JWong/R.Ortiz (can’t find any video though ) so I guess you have good experience against good Rufus players. But I’ve yet to see a video as well, because for some reason, I an’t just bully Rufus with stLP as you said.
Bottom note: if you were not willing to talk about matchups, you should have considered not giving them for a “community-driven, crowdsourced SRK tier list”. Don’t tell me you were like “Okay I’ll give my opinion and of couse nobody is ever gonna question it because it’s probably not the forum’s objective”.
Since apparently you don’t really want to answer my arguments, I’m gonna do what you wanted: not questioning your thoughts, and trust my personal experience as well as Alioune’s advices about the matchup, because when I ask him something he actually tells me if I’m right/wrong, and why. And top Ibuki players back him up anyway, unless F-Word, Saunic and Fasoll missed some crucial techniques about one of the most feared characters in the game (and in Europe).
Otherwise if you don’t want to speak about it, just show me a video in which I could get an idea of why Ibuki would be good on this matchup.
you know what, i’ll humor you. go and actually try some of the things i’ve listed, because it’s very clear you haven’t. once you come back from that and tell me about your experiences, maybe i’ll waste some time typing up more responses that you’ll immediately dismiss
you know what, let’s add some challenges. i’ll hand out some achievement points:
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[]how many cancelable moves can you whiff punish a cammy s.rh with?
[]how many situations can you find where ibuki cannot backdash a point blank reversal cammy dp?
[]how many post rh drill setups can you find with cammy, involving a divekick that looks even remotely ambiguous, hitting meaty against a quick rise, that ibuki cannot escape with a reversal command dash?
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[]caveat: must be an immediate quick rise! no delaying!
[]hint: lk divekicks never look ambiguous when they’re meaty after a rh drill!
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extra credit:
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[]what would cause a cammy player to start trying to use divekicks to get in?
[]what would cause a cammy player to start using focus attacks?
[]why is it important that reversal U1 punishes all those fadc forward dash situations?
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i honestly don’t think cammy-ibuki matchup is that bad… my best friend and training partner mained cammy, so i’ve played through thousands of these matches. i became extremely good at not pressing buttons and found that 90% of the time, i have no reason to try and block crossup on divekicks. i’ll sit there forever and let him do the usual frame-trap shenanigans and burn his meter on ex-divekicks hoping i press something. i just wouldn’t and just waited for a moment to get out and reset the situation back to a footsies game.
it also feels that off hard knockdown, ibuki has significantly more options for a cammy player has to worry about than the other way around.
What is fun in this situation is that the guy considered as the absolute Cammy master aka Alioune told you that “The strikes Im using post knockdown hit meaty and can hit both crossup and infront so no it’s unlikely”. Also, if I just quote you, you said exactly the following sentence:
“reversal hk command dash will generally escape cammy’s post spiral arrow jumping mixup”
“generally” is a way too broad word. You’ll be able to escape a few high dive kicks.
Let’s take an ambiguous setup as an example: backthrow - cr.LP - Cannon strike (unblockable on Guile): can crossup really easily and ambiguously against Ibuki, try to escape it with reversal HK command dash
Backdashing: When can you possibly backdash against Cammy? Either if you bait a reversal on wakeup, and if you want a reversal DP to whiff, you’d have to dash early, and show your opponent that you are actually baiting. Pick most likely any meaty setup and replace your meaty normal by a backdash => Cammy’s DP will hit
Extra credit:
- Cammy getting in on Ibuki with divekicks? two solutions: either 1/she has EX and is close enough to avoid jumping high or 2/the player you’re facing is not aware that you can air throw it. Cammy can just keep you out of range with her st.HK and wait for you to take a risk to get in. There is no need for her to just jump dive kick since she can wait for you.
- Again, I’ve yet to see a Cammy using focus attack. Especially against Ibuki. Except betting on trying to focus backdash a kunai, I haven’t seen any good Cammy trying to focus against me. Video pls?
- Are you, in all honesty, able to punish every single DP FADC with U1? Do you have enough time to react then input the motion?
Anyway, just to show that I am not posting out of nothing, I;m gonna try every of those, probably tonight if I have time. And why not, I’ll even make a video for this if I have enough time.
As far as I know, the only Cammy I’d consider very high level in the American continent is Chi-Rithy, and K-Brad is about to reach his level as well. Are you playing any of those players? Or do you consider Ibuki better than Cammy because you haven’t actually played high level Cammys ?
i wasn’t going to reply until you actually tried some of the stuff (and you’re still just dismissing stuff outright, would it help if i changed by board handle to alioune? i can make that happen if you want), but a few things:
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[]have you ever considered that maybe the ibuki players alioune plays against are approaching the match wrong?
[]have you ever considered that maybe the ibuki players alioune plays against are not on the same skill level?
[]have you ever considered that the wording of alioune’s reply infers that he actually doesn’t know, and is just making an educated guess?
[]i never mentioned anything about back throws; i mentioned post-rh drill setups
[]your divekick answer is very wrong; you can still earn the extra credit if you figure it out
[]i don’t punish every single dp fadc. i don’t antiair 100% of jump ins either, and neither does anybody else
[]i’m not asking for videos of cammy using focus attacks. i’m asking what you can do to make cammy want to focus attack
[]why are you trying to get in on cammy?
[]i’ve played plenty of offline matches vs kbrad. do i have to name drop (or be alioune, i guess) to even be considered around here? are you all this elitist?
[]reading comprehension, it’s a pretty cool thing
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sam b. lol
You’re supposed to be a top player because you’ve placed several times in Evo and you have a history of being a strong player in previous games, such as CvS2. I don’t know why you think you’re a top player just because you’re posting in a thread.
If we could get something, anything, that proves your points on the Cammy matchup, that would be fantastic. So far you just simply chalk it up to every Ibuki player not following your “proven tactics”. Your name doesn’t have to be “Alioune” for us to believe you. You just simply have to have proof to your arguments before anybody believes you.
I wonder if your debate with Alioune has changed your views at all, because it still seems like you don’t believe his meaty CStrike setups.
i don’t think he necessarily called himself a top player…