I’m in the kolin discord but i dont fully believe them. Oh also Jumping heavy kick lost an active frame. So i guess twin might not be able to jump in all the time.
It’s more likely that they are just incomplete. Hitbox/hurtbox changed doesn’t quite explain anything. This looks like a short version of the patch notes.
Meanwhile, Ryu mains’ minds after seeing that pretty much only VT1 was buffed with a bunch of relatively minor changes.
If they actually made Sim’s cr.mp and B.hp hit behind him, then Sim has four AA’s that can hdo that. That’s nuts. I think they may have extended the hitbox back some. Those were already strong AA’s, I’m ok with them being even better.
J.mp can now cancel into float on hit. Hello A2A setplay. This will help him to not lose ground in a successful A2A and help to setup his VT2. Fj.mp is no longer suicide, but a viable option. Sim can be more aggressive from a successful A2A.
I don’t know if Sim is overall nerfed, buffed, or berfed. It’s all going to come down to the collision boxes. I’m very eager to see how this works out. Can someone tell me exactly what collision boxes do? The pushback on hit and block of his lights suck. It’ll be harder for him to tick throw and confirm into ex.flame (it tends to whiff at max range).
I hope they didn’t take his low profile from cr.mk. Does anyone know if they did it to Rashid? Sim needs that against Balrog.
LMAO, system wide VT damage scale doesn’t affect Sim because they upped the damage to 120 from 100. He gets increased meter gain from VT1. IDK if it’s V or ex gauge.
“airborne juggle points have been relaxed.”
Any idea what the above means?
I don’t think this is final. According to this Vega is missing two pretty big changes (1 buff/1 nerf) that he had at CapCup.
Do you really think that ONE puny (in his eyes) frame will stop Twin from jumping?
How do you mistakenly release unfinished patch notes…twice?
They already tweeted those were incomplete. Thats why im not getting too involved. I’ll just wait for the Unity upload to really dig in.
Not to mention that this list says nothing about the addition of VT2’s, but mentions new specials.
This looks like an incomplete version for sure. I don’t think we’ll get any major changes not related to hit/hurtboxes though.
well the capcom cup build was the one that was never gonna be final so why are you surprised its gone?
just like last year, plenty of changes in the capcom cup build didn’t make it to live.
Seeing that the trend is they’re giving most other characters better AA’s, we should be alright. I always try to cancel the first hit of b+MP any way.
This is my take on Ibuki’s changes (even though they may not be final).
Stamina down to 925 - I’ll live with that. I already thought she was potentially cheap in Season 1 when she had 900. Right now at 950 she basically has better set play than characters like Karin who only has 900 and buttons that convert more easily than Juri’s who also has 950. Right now she’s a super saiyan offensive character that can outwalk most of the cast, make them whiff shit and counter poke and has more health and stun than Cammy and it’s kinda stupid (within this game). Even as an Ibuki player I’ll admit that. 925 makes it so she still has a little room to get her 3 bar VT1 in in pixel situations but isn’t completely outdoing characters like Juri and Chun in momentum and conversions who have the same health.
Standing LP - I’ll live with this. Plus 2 on hit nerf hurts a bit, but not a ton. Can’t do counter hit s.LP, s.MP anymore, but counter hit s.LP, s.LK is decent alternative. Not the end of the world.
**Standing LK - I imagine hurt box is getting expanded. Expected since it’s a very good whiff punish tool and can buffer punish stuff from good distance. I’ll live.
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Standing HP - Likely some type of hit box adjustment. Hopefully it makes the hit box stick out a little more so it can actually beat stuff. I hate how it’s basically only good as a slow, preemptive whiff punisher ATM. The button has no real use other than VTC combos.
Standing Heavy Kick - Plus 3 on regular hit. Basically means if you land this on regular hit you get to frame trap the opponent with another button like c.MP. Basically makes it slightly better in neutral and will allow you to combo into s.LP if you somehow land it on non counter hit at close range. Mike and Zio gotta hold this s.HK derp.
**Crouching LP - hurt box changed. Whatever. Only use to start combos or frame trap any way.
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Crouching Medium Punch - 4 more frames of recovery and hurt box change. Basically just have to be less of a dummy when using this. That makes it the same recovery as her s.HK which apparently is too fast LOL. This is mainly a counter poke, whiff punish button so you should either be using it reactively to whiff punish or use it at a range where it will make contact. Basically use footsies and you’ll be alright.
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Crouching Medium Kick** - BIG buff. Like SFIV her c.MK is now a viable low attack now. Right now there there isn’t much reason to use it other than to tap people a bit for walking too long. Only real other use it has is to give you a good low to VTC off of. Now it’s a good low in general. Her c.MK is basically the same range as her sweep which is her only other ranged low. Basically you get a way to check people’s lows while getting a much longer range move that you can fish for counter hits with and get combos off of. Counter hit c.MK, s.LK, raida sounds so good. Improves the range she can be effective from which is sorely needed as she otherwise has to walk a lot to actually scare people with her buttons.
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Crouching Heavy Punch **- Hurtbox changed. Who knows what this means, but I can’t imagine it’ll make it too much worse. It’s a pretty decent AA that can be command dash canceled off of for mix up and frame traps.
Jumping Medium Punch - Combo restriction change. Guess it won’t juggle after certain resets anymore. Not sure here.
Jumping Heavy Punch - Hurtbox changed. Whatever. Never use this in neutral any way.
Jumping Heavy Kick - Hurt box changed. Ok yeah.
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Agemen (b+MP)** - Have to see how the hit box changes play out. I’m trained to only cancel the first hit any way since that mainly gave you the best use out of it in SF3 and IV. Nothing new there. I think they just don’t want you getting lazy 2nd hit b+MP’s and then still command dashing for a mix up/frame trap.
Tobikura (j.LP, f+MK air target) - expected change. They don’t want you getting standing reset 50/50’s all day. The reset 50/50’s don’t work on big characters any way so they already prepare you for AE. Just fight against a lot of Rogs and Alex players to prepare. With that said, you can still get the 50/50’s on everyone if you launch people near the corner. She just can’t get corner worthy mix ups midscreen anymore which is fair.
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Shakunage (c.MP, f+HK target)** - Not bad to allow frame traps if you land this close enough, but from the range you’ll usually land this from, probably not a big deal.
EX kunai - Expected nerfs. Ground EX kunai right now is plus 18 on block. There are probably very few to no other things that are plus 18 on block in the game. This knocks it down to a paltry plus 14 on block. I already got walk up setups for this that let you use better buttons than just jab or s.MP after a dash any way.
V Skill meter gain on hit slightly reduced. Makes sense. She has one of the best V Skills in the game easily and they want to reduce V Trigger unga so yeah. Cool.
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V Trigger nerfs expected.** It’s a pretty dumb V Trigger in comparison to other characters. General damage nerf on VTC that everyone has now. Meter gain buff…um yeah sure I’ll take it.
Kunai Ikkinage (grounded P kunai release) - Apparently can now be canceled into specials. I guess this will make converting after it hits. Considering this is SF I imagine this only works on contact and not on whiff. I’ll take it.
Overall basically nerfing derp, buffing a good bit of her fundamentals. She already has some of the better AA in the game (and I still mainly AA with s.HK which is her most damaging one on CC and didn’t get touched). All VTC’s got nerfed so on same level there. Gives room to play around with her VT2.
It’s the same as music IMO…leak your single/album cuts to build hype, suspense and discussion
I pulled Capcom releasing a PDF file of S3 changes out of my ass but remember…most theories comes from your ass…and it seems some of these balances changes came from the same place
They won’t help. It’s over for him. And Ryu.
Dunno,these overall changes on jump ins and AA or supposed to be normals are suspicious. I remember @LordWilliam1234 saying something about time ago, the real problem behind AA jab is the characters jump ins hurtboxes.
I love how they can mistakenly release patch notes twice, but never mistakenly release this years DLC plan or announcements.
Juri got her AA jab nerfed and it still works situationally so AA jabs will always work to some degree regardless. Stop jumping you frogs.
Kolin and Ed have pretty solid AA jabs and don’t hear anyone talking about either one in the notes yet.
I feel free, I think i can now finally cut vega out of my life. He can’t hurt me anymore, if he was just straight buffed, as a potential worst character in the game should have been, I may have been conflicted but now no longer!!!
I only have eyes for lord abigail now!!!
And maybe blanka or another s3 character I duno.
maybe they dont want ryu being super good for being a character any new player can pick up which kinda makes sense since S1 Ryu was nuts but was the easiest character to play
Edit: did we all forget about nash?
They probably just don’t know what they want to do with Ryu. Although I’m holding out on discussing Ryu till I see hit boxes. V Skill gauge build getting nerfed means he’s out of being a super meta character on that alone. He doesn’t have the CC’s to make up for that.
I’m not losing my mind yet. I think it’s incomplete. Even if it isn’t without getting a detailed look at the hurtbox/pushback/movement changes it’s hard to get a complete picture.