As a Haggar player, I know it’s a hard fight. Haggar doesn’t have many ways to approach otherwise, so NOT expecting pipe would be dumb. But what to do when Haggar is constantly gaining ground on you and all he’s doing is jump pipe, jump pipe, jump pipe?
If you have any assists with any sort of invincibility, you can keep blocking and just call the assist. Ironically, Haggar’s a-assist stops Haggar, but if you don’t have such a thing on your team, my best advice is to advance guard the pipe continuously it give you some space. If you do, the next pipe may miss and you can act accordingly.
But here is the single most important piece of advice concerning Haggar: GET OUT OF THE CORNER. With very little effort, Haggar can pipe you once and push you into a near inescapable corner loop. I’ve done it before, requires impossibly MINIMAL effort and while some characters CAN get out (8-way airdashing down, invincible moves in the air), a LOT of them cannot. It cannot be air recovered backwards or forwards, and even if air recovery is not used it will catch the opponent.
^^^ thanks that’s kind of what I thought she hulk has no tools vs pipe. I will just use hulk aa assist works well. Now also haggard tend to do the 3 hit qcf h attack alot is this safe or can she hulk punish this in anyway after the first hit?
lol so much rage, well first of just so you know she isn’t invincible, or at least not her entire hit box. If you attack your opponent with any attack that crosses up and he calls her out she will get hit clean every time. Also she can be hit out of her flame, her hit box is just very very low, Im not sure if shulks cr. :l: will beat it out, but you might as well try. Finally, if she is really giving you so much trouble why not just snap her in? I mean most trons don’t know how to use her save for spamming j. :h: which Im pretty sure shulk can just tot on reaction anyway. And besides, you use haggars lariat assist, lol what exactly are you complaining about? Your pretty much getting a taste of your own medicine.
@bp amoco: You know you can air grab him out of the pipe when he starts getting careless with his pipe laying, Im not sure if :qcf: :h: will beat it, but Im positive you can just jump up and grab him or tot him.
BTW you can ToT Wolvys Dive kick…It happened to me at the arcade this weekend…as for haggar hitten up that pipe lay him down with a little tot or back air grab to set you up form some delicious torpedo action but guitar is right don?t get cornered that shit is a life ruined
Edit: now that I think about it , it might of been regular qcf+ m to catch wolvy I just know for FACT that one of them catches also if you see that kick back dash hes vunerable about half a second when he lands, also its not an overhead you can down block that hoe
Yeah I’ve been vs wolvies just sitting in down back vs dive kicks now and trying to do very little other than using hulks aa assist. Seems to work well eventually they will do something unsafe and then I punish big.
On a side note hulks aa assist is great with she hulk because it sets them up for an air grab on the way back down.
I was thinking bout running shulk with morrigan’s shadow blade assist, using it in the same vein people used psyblade except less spamming due to the lack of invincibility. I think it might also work like a gustaff flame except with a hell of a lot more range, but much less priority. Haven’t had a chance to test it out yet but what do y’all think of the pairing?
GGs the other day. Funny you mention that Haggar loop. That was the first time I had ever seen or heard of it when you used it on me. :lol: I was like WTF is going ooonnnnnn!!! I tried air teching in every direction too hahahah. Good shit. My Haggar play his nonexistent these days and I’m just trying to focus on a core group of 4 characters (the Hulks, Thor, Arthur) before I go messing around with anyone else. I haven’t read the Haggar forum in ages either. It was soooooo much easier to keep up with the various character forum/threads before the game dropped and during the first week or so. Now it’s damn near impossible. Hell I barely read the Hulk & Arthur forums anymore. Seems like there isn’t enough time in the day :lol:
Most of my rage was for comedic value Few things:
She Hulk crouching L will not beat the assist. I tried many many times. If it worked I wouldn’t have even bothered making that post.
It really isn’t that easy to setup crossup situations against grounded opponent and I’m pretty sure She Hulk’s jumping hit box is wide enough that the assist will often hit her from behind if she does something like jumping H.
Haggar lariat is alot easier to punish than Tron’s assist (way more characters can duck the lariat), and he gets penalized for using it.
Snapping her in can work but the thing about snap ins that nobody seems to talk about is that it’s often debatable whether you want to snap in the assist, or finish your whole combo and kill the point character. There are benefits and drawbacks to both options, and you also need to keep in mind She Hulk’s own health after you snap in Tron. I do believe it’s a matchup in She Hulk’s favor, but if you’re at half life (or whatever) then you need to be much more mindful of how you’re going to approach. You don’t want to lose her on some random shit and have to deal with a 2vs3 matchup.
yea man ggs! Nice Wolvy throw combo with She Hulk’s assist. I didn’t know her assist would be fast enough to combo after that throw.
Have you ever been air to air thrown out of his divekick? I don’t even know why I bother anymore. I think it’s impossible. I really need to stop attacking him when we’re both in the air and he’s above me. Seems like there’s nothing any characters of mine can do to stop his divekick in those situations, and I just end up getting ground bounced into his lolcombo. Maybe one of these days I’ll stop being an idiot and actually block. Good shit with CapAm as well. His jumping S is a nice crossup! Catch ya later.
…you can crouch block Wolvie’s dive kick? SCORE! For whatever reason (oh, I don’t know, because it’s an AERIAL attack?) I thought it would count as an overhead. Does Wolverine have any overheads then, besides anything ELSE jumping?
A lot of people don’t seem to know this yet, yep you can block his dive kick crouching. For she-hulk though Im pretty sure wolvie has some instant overheads on her so you’ll have to watch out for those.
@Bronzefist: lol yea I figured, just found it so hilarious. Well sucks to hear shulks crouching :l: doesn’t beat it, but I can’t really say Im surprised in this regard. Well if seems overall shulk isn’t really designed for punishing assists, it just becomes more apparent when dealing with something like trons. I still think off your first hit you should snap that shorty in, especially if it seems your opponent relies on her heavily for both his offense and defense. Oh and about haggar, try counter assist calling, Im 100 percent sure lariat beats gustaff flame clean and you will prolly even get a combo off it as well.
yea Jak I’m sure I could counter-call lariat. However I haven’t been playing Haggar at all recently. I need to get around to reading his forums again. :lol:
Guitalex: yea you can definitely crouch block the dive kick, but as Jack said you have to be careful of his instant overhead. Wolvy definitely has one against her, but I’m pretty sure his works against all characters. Also be careful about crouch blocking his dive kick, because sometimes the dive kick will cross you up instead. It only happens at specific ranges, but it’s definitely something to keep in mind.
For some reason, you can call assists when Wolverine’s throw animation is like 75% done. That’s why Shulk has enough time to otg them. Mid screen takes some wavedashing to combo out of, but in the corner it’s free. As far has the divekick is concerned…I’ve never been thrown out of it. I occasionally get trades which means I score a stagger stun (counter hit), so depending on what the opponent hit me with I can often still combo off the trade. It’s DUMB! just block!
You can combo with hulk from his command throw by dashing calling the assist then jump canceling another dash to jhs and you get a ground bounce and do whatever from there.
Am I the only who finds it weird that so many top players are using shulk, yet so few are even attempting any of her command grabs. Makes you wonder how much more brutal she will be once peeps start using her grabs. Or it could be that her grabs aren’t as good as I think they are.
I’m sure they just don’t throw them out all the time, if you get predictable it could be catastrophic, just like the resets game, I use them in the beginning of the match to catch them off guard then I stick to the guaranteed dropkick hyper.
Well guess what? Immediately after my post, I watch the WNF stream and floe is throwing them out left and right lol. Only one he didn’t use was the :qcf: one. But you are correct, you look at someone like gief(my main in pretty much every game he is in) and you can go entire games without throwing out an SPD, so I guess its not too far fetched.
The thing I don’t see the pros doing is Kara stuff and tot dhc glitch I think Kara tot to dhc glitch for high damage is a huge deal which adds alot to her high level play damage and range potential. I have been slightly under impressed with the play of top players but I think I’m being picky. Floe is coming to Chicago in a few weeks so I should be able to ask him some stuff like are there any option selects with she hulk or see if he has any reset tricks I don’t know about.
Hey I play with my friend alot and I use She-hulk(Torpedo), Dante(Weasel Shot/Jam Session), and Trish(Peekaboo/Low Voltage) and I have a really hard time facing my friend’s Haggar, Hulk and Ryu. I find it really hard to get in on Haggar while he keeps jumping at me swinging the pipe. Any suggestion on how to beat it?
Few things:
one. But you are correct, you look at someone like gief(my main in pretty much every game he is in) and you can go entire games without throwing out an SPD, so I guess its not too far fetched.