The Sanwa and Seimitsu FAQ

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Is there a table somewhere with a comparison of the stiffness of the various springs?

I mostly just want something that says: … < JLF < LS-32 < …

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: I found this joystick comparison. I assume “tension” basically refers to the stiffness of the spring. Is that correct? How do the LS-32, LS-40, and LS-55 springs compare? They’re all listed as “medium”?

How do 2 LS-33’s compare to an LS-32?

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Not sure if it’s been posted in here before: I’ve just swapped over my JLW microswitches with those from an LS-32.

The JLW now feels more responsive.

And… that is all.

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How do I get the average Sanwa JLF as loose as a TE stick is out of the box?

I’m pretty sure a spare Sanwa JLF is the same as the one that is used inside of the TE stick.
BUT… I will say one thing. The Tekken 6: BR arcade cabinet at my local arcade uses all sanwa parts @ Dark Hai JLF (i’m guessing, but pretty sure), and 4 Dark Hai Buttons, with 2 button plugs on each player’s controls.

After playing on that control panel for a while, my friend points out that the stick is MUCH more sensitive than the one in my TE stick. After listening to him rant on how he likes the K-style controls at the other mall better, I feel around the control panel a bit myself to see if what he was saying is true…

I’ve come to the conclusion that the JLF used int he machine IS in fact much STIFFER than a normal JLF, whether it be in a TE stick, or a spare one bought from a website. Not only that, but it also does feel a bit TOO responsive, there is almost no dead zone, combined with the stiffer (not by TOO much, but noticable)… I would sometimes jump up, or up/forward when doing comands such as back dash, into :r:, :r:, 2.

With that said and done for, I have a question myself to ask:

  1. I’ve come across a few posts saying that they change the springs inside of their JLF’s to change the stiffness of the stick. One of their options is to combine the stock JLF spring, and twist it together with either a LS32, or LS33, or any other spring for that matter to make it stiffer.

What I’d like to know is, what if I don’t twist the JLF spring and the LS32 spring together, and I just use the LS32 spring in my JLF.

So overall what I want to know is, what are the stiffness levels in the following springs. Rate them 1-5, 1 being the most loose, and 5 being the tightest.

JLF
LS32
LS33
JLF + LS32
JLF + LS33

LS-55 spring equipped JLF with cherry switches feels so good! I got that setup right now till I get my optical setup. The duel spring set up is nice but I personally ran into a problem with it as the springs would bind up and my joystick would feel dead after that. With the single LS-55 spring I can achieve the same stiff/tightness that the duel spring mod offers.

anyone have any feedback on the spring combos listed above?

I’ve done the JLF + LS-32 spring before, used it for awhile up until recently actually. Feels pretty nice, it’s a nice tension level if you don’t like it too tight like me. If you’ve got an LS-32 spring laying around, go ahead and give it a whirl.

As for the springs:

JLF- 2
LS32- 3
LS33- 1
JLF + LS32 - Haven’t tried
JLF + LS33 - I haven’t used this in months but I remember it being pretty tight, probably a 4.

I got an SE fightstick off craigslist that was modded with sanwa parts. But the stick feels too stiff unlike my other sanwa stick. I swapped the springs to test it out and it still had the stiff feeling. What could have caused this stiffness. It also has the pcb glued to the wire harness and I dont really know how to take it off. I dont know if I should pull really hard because I dont want to break it.

Another vote here for a JLF with an LS-55 spring. It’s the perfect tension and allows you to avoid multiple springs. Works really well, I use this on all my JLFs. :woot:

What did you swap the springs with? Pics of the spring would help with identifying it.

I bought a JLF spring off lizard lick but it feels stiff compared to my other JLF

its because its a fresh uncompressed spring … if you took your old JLF spring and stretched it out a lil and put it back in it would feel a lil tighter for a while …

Is there any way to improve the LS-32’s pivot quality? I dunno if it’s just mine since I’ve had it for a few months or if they’re always like that, but it feels crappy going from one side of the joystick to the other, mostly due to the large wobble it has while sitting at neutral.

are there any detailed diagrams of sticks? and their individual parts? taken part and photographed at different angles?

This is a common complaint about the LS-32. You might want to check out the LS-32 -> “LS-36” modification tutorial. I believe this changes the feel of the pivot, but I haven’t felt the results myself. I’m not sure how much the deadzone changes, which would be the ‘neutral wobble’.

The Seimitsu and Sanwa catalogs have diagrams of some of their parts. I’ve noticed that arcadeshop.de has diagrams for some of the sticks/buttons they sell that aren’t in the catalogs I’ve seen.

Slagcoin’s page on Joystick and Button Attributes and Brand Parts has a lot of good pictures of disassembled sticks.

I tried the LS-36 mod but it makes it feel too different. It takes on more of a circular feel(regardless of whether or not you have the square gate on) and changes the throw/engage. I think the LS-32 might be my favorite joystick if it weren’t for it’s pivot quality. =/ Thanks anyways though.

I know this is a stupid question but I will go ahead and ask anyways, is there any advantage to using a shaft cover on a JLF or any arcade stick for that matter? And does not using one expose you to any problems from static?

Static? That’s a new one…

Immediate advantages are that it protects the shaft from corrosion and acts as a balltop anti-theft device.