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Surely this is a very big issue when it comes to technology and medicine today. Back in the early days of Sillicon Valley, IC(Integrated Circuit) manufacturers would copy designs from other companies, each improving on the previous design. Believe it or not, this caused a lot of innovation and there was an understanding amongst the companies back in those days. Now you have companies like Chipworks that make a killing providing a service that is more and more in demand; in which they are payed to reverse engineer ICs to look for even the smallest detail that could be used against your competitor as a “patent infringement”.
Look at a man like Jonas Salk. The man who is credited with discovering the Polio vaccine. When he was asked who owns the patent for the Polio vaccine his response was:
"…Well, the people, I would say. There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?”
I know that it takes a lot of money to do research and innovate in the field of medicne and technology. However, when these discoveries have made their returns back to the company and made a profit six times over, I think a line has to be drawn somewhere.
At what point do you say enough, especially if the coffers of the same men are being filled ten years later while lives can potentially be saved.
The world needs more men like Jonas Salk…
^No Javid. We need to grant extremely broad, ultra restrictive patents that last forever to protect someone’s profits and ideas, long after they’re dead. If we’re doing this for art, we should certainly do this for science and medicine(and every other field of endeavor), see how long those innovations last. :rolleyes:
Agreed. While personally I would err on the side of saying that media companies are able to copyright too much, too strictly, and for too long, frankly I don’t care all that much. What really pisses me off, though, is when companies try to patent things (and lobby to have laws changed so that they can) that are just facts about he world we live in. Medical companies are especially bad at this, patenting naturally occurring chemical compounds that may hold the key to finally conquering life-threatening diseases. It’s not like they’ve patented a process for extracting the chemical (though this can work poorly as well - look at the American who patented the process for extracting useful medical penicillin from penicillium - the exact same process that was discovered by the team headed by Florey and Chain and publicly published after WWII), or a method for delivering the chemical in the most effective way. They’ve patented the FREAKING COMBINATION OF ATOMS.
I usually refrain from swearing, but that shit is fucking stupid. Can you imagine if Newton somehow managed to patent F=ma? It sounds stupid because it’s just a fact about the universe - but then so are those chemicals
touche altho Raz0r is more smithers than burns imo. lovin them rich guys
You just want to take all of their hard work and profits, fucking freeloader discover your own natural process!!! I swear socialists and liberuals.
We should just get rid of the commie government. Let’s go with private courts, private police, private armies, private everything. What could ever go wrong?(Not withstanding that raz0r depends on the big ole daddy government to protect his property and enforce his contracts and potential patents should he apply for one. Wouldn’t want to have to do all the dirty work ourselves would we?)
Look at the current stupidity over gene patents. You can discover the gene in the human body, which everybody else has, that can cause baldness, or breast cancer, or asthma, or any other disease, and nobody else can touch that gene, even though all you did was discover what was already present.
I like how people fucking adamantly defend bullshit laws.
Aside from " research on AI, the effects of LSD on first time users of drugs, the origin of cancer cells, and psychosomatic research" None of this matters.
oh, but it does. Public domain works enable common people to make money as well. Look at things like rewriting a book in braille, or in another language, or doing a movie in a different language, or creating your own spin on a classic fairytale (American McGee’s Alice, or the upcoming Oz The Great & Powerful movie, or the modernization of Romeo & Juliet). It also prevents stupid bullshit like we’re currently seeing with patent trolls.
Your comment is why the world is failing right now. And @Rockbogart liking it gave me such a fucking facepalm I have a headache now.
Yeeeeah, I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, not every classic needs an update.
And something tells me if a company want’s to produce a classic in braille or another language, they’ll find a way regardless of public domain.
Also, American McGee’s Alice is the only decent example, OZ was a good example that if you throw around enough money you can do anything and the R&J modernization was an example of what should never happen…again.
Poor basis for a law.
True, but thats not for some corporation to decide, the public will decide with their wallets. John Carter, for instance…
No, this is actually quite illegal. Hence why I made this thread in the first place.
How about Night of the Living Dead? Public domain, and George Romero has done fuck all to sue people who’ve made their own zombie movies. I could have listed a ton of other shit, but your google skills aren’t THAT weak, are they?
Another thing public domain adds to, is movie soundtracks. Certain songs can be sung, or played on a radio, and yet if we allowed more music to properly enter the public domain as it should, this would open up a lot of doors (and limit budgets) for a whole lot of filmmakers.
Oh, and don’t forget the stupidity of allowing Congress to force public domains works back into copyright if they so choose (great idea, considering they’re all fucking bought and paid for by the corporations). This means that an orchestra might have to be cancelled if suddenly some of the songs in it are taken out of public domain. Or that a play can be cancelled for the same reasons.
i’m not talented enough to produce works on my own therefore i need other people to spend their money to do it so i can insert their work into mine and make money off of it
As a result, reports say that George Romero, the movies co-writer and director, saw little to no money from the film, despite it grossing some over $30 million at the box office (some estimates as high as $42 million).
The distributor, allegedly the company that made the mistake, kept all of the money.
PUBLIC DOMAIN FTW RIGHT GUYS??
What does that have to do with what we’re talking about here?
This must also be how you see a lot of us:
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The fact that an old member attacked people in the woods with a sword (I don’t remember if that was a serious thread, but I choose to believe it) makes it that much funnier.
^Was going to respond with another shot at raz0r, but it’s not worth it.
One thing to think of though is that we may just reach the world he advocates for where everything is privately owned indefinitely(including science and medicine). I just don’t think it’ll be the pull yourself up by your boostraps utopia he thinks it’ll be. But surely only the useless, lazy, freeloading(including the mentally ill and physically disabled) types will go the way of the dodo right?
edit: not really related but always thought this map of the many brands owned by just an increasingly few amount of companies to be interesting.
Naw man your wrong. There should totally be more laws based on subjective/personal taste. I’m still waiting on congress to pass that legislation outlawing the creation of any new Family Guy episodes, death penalty enforced for violation.
…lol wow. You realize thats typical Hollywood accounting and has absolutely nothing to do with public domain, right?
The movie is now in the Public Domain, where George could make another himself and pay nothing to a studio. Nor get ripped off by a studio.
Rsigley, please dont tell me you are actually so stupid as to completely miss the point, and then to trump that, score a point for me in your own sad little net. Please dont ever stop failing, and stay free, son.