Because some people would like to finally read a copyrighted book in Braille or descriptive video or on a website, but are unable because you have to pay money for things that aren’t in the public domain like they should be.
^I fucking pass. If Soviet wants to keep playing with him than by all means. Though I did notice a few things:
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Constant ranting about freeloaders and people getting things they don’t deserve(obviously corporations don’t do this though). Check.
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The whole screaming about success = you must have worked hard and that should be guarded no matter what(despite several of us exposing numerous flaws in the patent system which shows that more often than not the original inventors actually get screwed). More or less just saying our systems are perfect it’s the freeloaders ruining it, Check.
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Complete incongruency on philosophy when challenged on it(saying my cancer example doesn’t hold water, yet why should media be protected from everyone else in perpetuity and not every other thing such as medical advances?). Check
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Completely talking out of his ass on things he doesn’t know shit about.(Patent Law, Public Domain, Copyrights). Check
He’s either raz0r under a troll account or some idiot who read Atlas Shrugged and thinks he’s an expert on Property Rights/Copyright Law/Patent Law. Basically a waste of time.
All I know is if you shit on '89 Batman, you no longer have any valid opinions.
I forgot SRK GD median income was 12k and thinks the world owes them a living instead of making one themselves. Specs, BEWD, and soviet would be multi billionaires if they could only use their awesome ideas on characters that aren’t in public domain, but big business is holding them back from being successful.
America land of the free? Yea right! Hack the world. Free Mumia also
i’m conflicted. i’m leaning towards Sig because i create content; but i’m also looking at the fashion industry which doesn’t enforce copyrights, is an orgy of plagiarism, AND has profits that dwarf the music industry, software, and film combined (got that from a TED talk).
EDIT: found the talk
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makes sense, but still i’m like “FUCK THIEVES!>:(” I’M SO CONFLICTED! :sad:
Aronofsky’s making Noah in 2014
Russel Crowe
Jennifer Connelly
Emma Watson
130mil budget. pumped. love Jesus >:(.
“I create nothing…I own.” -Gordon Gecko
They would still be perfectly able to release the movie. They just wouldn’t retain exclusivity.
Nobody currently at Marvel had a hand in creating Captain America, yet Marvel retains ownership of the character. Incidentally, the guy who actually did create Captain America (and almost every one of Marvel’s most lucrative properties) was the subject of legendarily poor treatment by Marvel. This is what our copyright laws allow, almost entirely to the exclusion of what they’re promoted to do–protect and encourage the livelihood of creators.
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He’s Rsigley. Not particularly worth arguing with except as a springboard for making your points in the manner of a Platonic dialogue. His bird genocide thread was a hoot though.
It has a children’s grasp of relationships and motivations. Its only value aside from nostalgia is a handful of powerful moments that come down to an effective combination of images and music rather than anything to do with the story content.
It’s unsurprising. Copyright is and always has been a means for corporations to seize and retain control of lucrative properties. The news story at the top of this thread bears this out. If copyright actually does any of the stuff it’s purported to do in order to justify its existence, it’s basically a happy accident.
glad to see jersey in here representing against the communists and anti-batman crowd.
Yeah, but comparing the bible to superman,
Damn near 2000 year old document which belongs to no one as it was written with the purpose of being open for everyone - only cost ever to be associated with it are for materials/anufacturing…
Damn near 100 year old character who has constantly had new material released and is iconically tied to an existing and relevant owner (DC Comics) - made as a money source…
So we have new stuff being created and being sold with the intent of profit, and we have something with a true ‘end’ that was never written with the purpose of getting rich…
My original point was that there is still ‘new’ stuff being fabricated for Superman constantly, its not like he died in 1920 and was never used again (John Carter).
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The bible lead to Jesus collectors plates, movies, and this:
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The point is, we’re getting to a point where everybody knows the story of Superman even if they’re not a fan or a nerd. Like other popular characters we’ve looked up to our entire lives. Allowing regular people to make their own Superman stories would sully his name just as much as allowing the current copyright holders to make a shitty movie with him. People will still view DC Superman as the origin and would value a DC Superman comic over a Bob’s Discount Comics version. So long as its written better.
Robin Hood is/was a fictional character/hero who robbed from the rich and gave to the poor along with his Merry Men. Captain Kirk is/was a fictional hero who bravely went where no men had gone before along with the crew of the Enterprise. There should be no difference between somebody making a new Robin Hood movie (even if it’s a satire such as Robin Hood Men In Tights), and making a comedy version of Star Trek or whatever other version you can come up with, due the public domain. You’re really going to argue about sullying the originals image, when we have 1000’s of books, comics, tv shows, movies, and reboots, all done by different directors and authors and artists.
We’re going to argue about shit like this when the copyright holder can just go ahead and retconn things anyways??? Do you realize how many different wars Tony Stark has been injured in to become Iron Man? Do you realize how many origins the Joker has had? Do you realize how many various upbringings Clark Kent has had on his way to become Superman?
No, because my point has less to do with the quality and treatment - and more to do with the owner actually still using it and profiting from it. Moses wrote the Torah/first five books of the bible, he didn’t get rich off it. He didn’t maintain rights. His family/lineage doesn’t get a percent profit for every Torah sold. the point of it wasn’t money, it was to spread the word. Superman is purely entertainment, its purpose is purely to make DC money. As such, they have continued to support it in order to make money, they have continued to make changes and issue new stories. DC SHOULD maintain all legal rights to Superman.
I use to play City of Heroes - where you could make you’re own hero and it was EASY to make Wovlerine clones or cyclops clones, etc. Marvel didn’t really care as it wasn’t affecting their money, if anything it helped it, but Marvel sent take-down notices to Cryptic/NCSoft for those characters because they had to protect their trademarks…they still made money on wolverine ugh and while he’s in some many comics - you’d think he WAS public domain, if MArvel is still whoring out the Canuck 100 years from now, they should still maintain those rights.
Its really a case by case thing IMO. If money is being generated by the creator/owner - then it should not be public domain. If no money is being generated then it should fall into public domain.
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The creators of most of those are long since dead. Kirby created most of Marvel, but you think his family gets a penny from Thanos being in Avengers? Nope. Seigel and Shuster created Superman ages ago, but they don’t get fuck all from the Man of Steel. It’s really hard for me to say that Marvel gets to own the rights to a public domain applicable character, after EVERYBODY involved since then is dead, and a corporation can never die. Walt Disney is dead and cryogenically frozen for centuries to come. Why does Michael Eisner have the rights to Mickey until he dies? Then some new nobody who had fuck all to do with anything Disney related is now in charge of the copyright and gets all the money.
You can still make money off Robin Hood. You can still make money off the Greek Mythology (Clash/Wrath of the Titans, anybody?). Sinbad is another public domain character that can easily make money. People will ALWAYS be able to make money off ANYBODY. Thats why we have public domain, because after awhile, they become property of the entire planet to use. They become so engrained in our culture, it becomes hard to not copy a bit from certain heroes, or alter a current one to make a new one, or come up with a new adventure for them, or application of their values/lessons.
In 30000 years, how can you tell me that only Disney should own Mickey Mouse? How about 1000 years? You see the point yet? They had their time to make money off him. You can’t own an idea until the end of time. Especially when it wasn’t even your idea.
According to congress themselves, only 2% of works that are 55 years or older retain any value. Do you have any idea how many things Disney makes? Hell, almost all their big cartoon movies are based off of history or…wait for it…PUBLIC DOMAIN. As a corporation with near infinite money, it’s easy to just swallow all the copyrighted works up. That is literally why we have public domain. So the originators of the works can make their money, and then it’s fair game for others to work with it. As a society we would be horribly failing with technology, as well as culture, if it were not for the public domain. Can you imagine a world where only the Wright Brothers descendants were allowed to build airplanes of any kind?
He worked for a company that paid him money to develop comics and characters for the company. Why should he get money? Marvel owns those characters not Kirby. They paid him to create it.
Because when he created those characters for Marvel, the law stated that in a few years they would become public domain. So eventually the rights would be available to his ancestors and family. Then a few years became a few decades, and now centuries.
EDIT: how about nonsense like this?
I just want to point out that it would be hysterical if it had been anybody else arguing from this point of view, so soon after posting this:
but coming from you it’s strangely boring. 
Why should shit ever become public domain though? I don’t get it.
To prevent the sort of endless corporate unilateral control over of important cultural works that is happening now.
Anything you make is yours a couple of years but I should get it for free after that. What? You want to keep it forever? NO!
haha wow but I’ll check it out. this ol heathen loved Passion. best gore-porn movie I’ve seen with that kind of big theatrical release
@Unreallystic
maybe the bible wasnt the best example, but as Soviet pointed out theres lots of public domain creations that potentially generate revenue. I guess my best example would be something like Mozart’s music. Symphonies regularly profit from performing these pieces, which he originally wrote to support his career. It would still be absurd for this music not to be PD at this point, otherwise we’d be paying royalties for broadcasting it through space on Voyager