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Variance sucks, dropped 90 BBs back in the last 2 days, was so looking forward to finishing with a 5 BB/100 monthā€¦now Iā€™m down to about 2.8

yea theyā€™re mad cute, big boobs and nice asses. and theyā€™re not bitchy or anything, really easy to get along with. iā€™ll see about some pics lol.

Thats PART of it but with hands like T8 your still not really getting implied odds to draw to a hand, plus every cash game is deep stacked, but most limits you wont see people doing this. Couple more pronounced reasons are in this type of game, where most of the players are top notch players, sticking to solid hands will be easily read and you wont get paid off on your big hands and youā€™ll lose to the blinds and rake. Thrown in is every players ability is great enough that they can play any hand well after the flop. The biggest reason not to play lesser holdings is you make your decisions harder after the flop. Every one of these players can handle those decisions. Also when your range is close to any two cards your big hands get paid off MUCH more, for example lets say Sammy Farha makes a standard raise in EP, Jerry Buss behind him reraises a substancial amount, you look down and see Queens, your not thrilled with that at all, and you probably release, since his range he does that with is basically AK AA KK QQ. Now lets say the exact same situation except Freddy Deeb makes the standard raise and Farha reraises. Well now, your Queens are ahead of good amount of his range, so you play him. In each case your villian has AA, Farha gets paid off a LOT more than Buss does.

Basically the only reason not to play them is your not comfortable playing weak hands after the flop, which applies to most players.

good analysis, but lol at losing to the rake at 300/600, is that possible?

Hi yā€™all,

Iā€™ve decided to come out of poker retirement for a brief while since I kinda need the money. Iā€™ve been playing on Stars again recently, but the whole bit about bonus whoring has me intrigued.

Can anyone recommend places that offer good bonuses as well as having nice o8b tables?

Nice O8B tables? Pretty sure thats called every online O8b table.

So Iā€™m playing at JohnnyBaxā€™s table in the UB 125k guaranteed. :frowning:

After watching High Stakes Poker, I see Phil Hellmuth isnā€™t really good at cash game. Its funny how the other players made comments on Hellmuth. One of them said that he sounds like a rapper, after Phil drops like 100 ā€œfā€ bomb. Iā€™d like to hear someone say to Hellmuth, ā€œCanā€™t you stop saying ā€˜fuckā€™ all the time!!ā€.

Once again, Hellmuth = Comedy Gold.

lol Hellmuth will always be a comedian at the poker tables. he gets on tilt really easily.

This thread has gotten a little stale recently.

Iā€™ve got yet another hand i would like comments on, and i didnā€™t lose this time!

Event Horizon 8161616-11851 Holdem No Limit $0.50/$1
[Apr 14 17:14:14] : Hand Start.
[Apr 14 17:14:14] : Seat 1 : junkyman has $19
[Apr 14 17:14:14] : **Seat 2 : rewrew has $99 **
[Apr 14 17:14:14] : Seat 3 : clan11 has $40.22
[Apr 14 17:14:14] : Seat 4 : The Horror has $85.50
[Apr 14 17:14:14] : Seat 5 : dekinho has $98.75
[Apr 14 17:14:14] : Seat 6 : PPPKen has $100.33
[Apr 14 17:14:14] : PPPKen is the dealer.
[Apr 14 17:14:14] : junkyman posted small blind.
[Apr 14 17:14:15] : **rewrew posted big blind. **
[Apr 14 17:14:15] : Game [11851] started with 6 players.
[Apr 14 17:14:15] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Apr 14 17:14:15] : **Seat 2 : rewrew has Ad 6h **
[Apr 14 17:14:27] : clan11 called $1
[Apr 14 17:14:34] : The Horror folded.
[Apr 14 17:14:34] : dekinho called $1
[Apr 14 17:14:37] : PPPKen called $1
[Apr 14 17:14:40] : junkyman called $0.50
[Apr 14 17:14:42] : **rewrew checked. **
[Apr 14 17:14:42] : Dealing flop.
[Apr 14 17:14:42] : Board cards [6d 6c 5d]
[Apr 14 17:14:45] : junkyman checked.
[Apr 14 17:14:49] : **rewrew bet $2 **
[Apr 14 17:14:53] : clan11 folded.
[Apr 14 17:14:54] : dekinho folded.
[Apr 14 17:14:57] : PPPKen called $2 and raised $8
[Apr 14 17:15:02] : junkyman folded.
[Apr 14 17:15:06] : **rewrew called $8 **
[Apr 14 17:15:06] : Dealing turn.
[Apr 14 17:15:06] : Board cards [6d 6c 5d As]
[Apr 14 17:15:09] : rewrew checked.
[Apr 14 17:15:14] : PPPKen bet $16
[Apr 14 17:15:18] : **rewrew called $16 and raised $16 **
[Apr 14 17:15:20] : PPPKen called $16
[Apr 14 17:15:20] : Dealing river.
[Apr 14 17:15:20] : Board cards [6d 6c 5d As 7s]
[Apr 14 17:15:26] : rewrew bet $30
[Apr 14 17:15:28] : PPPKen called $30 and raised $27.33 and is All-in
[Apr 14 17:15:28] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Apr 14 17:15:30] : **rewrew called $26 and is All-in **
[Apr 14 17:15:30] : Showdown!
[Apr 14 17:15:30] : **Seat 2 : rewrew has Ad 6h **
[Apr 14 17:15:32] : Seat 6 : PPPKen has 8d 7d
[Apr 14 17:15:32] : PPPKen has Two Pair: 7s and 6s
[Apr 14 17:15:33] : **Seat 2 : rewrew has Ad 6h **
[Apr 14 17:15:33] : rewrew has Full House : 6s full of Aces
[Apr 14 17:15:33] : rewrew wins $198 with Full House : 6s full of Aces
[Apr 14 17:15:42] : Hand is over.

It was a nice welcome back to $.50/.1 after taking a pretty long break from the level, but it may look like a fairly standard hand against an overly aggressive player. Iā€™ve highlighted my actions just for easier reading.

I just wanted to know what size bets people are making to try and make the best of situations like these. When i first started playing iā€™m checking that flop but now i like to bet to disguise my hand somewhat, the raise on the flop from his side was pretty big and while i was more than happy to call i consider a raise but decide to call, good or bad move?

On the turn is where most of my dilemmaā€™s come about, iā€™ve got him i just need to get him commited, he seemed pretty aggressive and i was fairly sure he would stick in a sizeable bet to try to take the pot down there and then, sure enough he fires. I opt for a minimum re-raise, his bet was pretty big anyway and i dont want to scare him off plus i figured its a fairly easy call for him. So do you guys agree with checking the turn or do you lead out and bet? Also what about the size of the raise here? Often i try to make my move on the turn and re-raise 2x or 3x and my opponent folds.

Finally the river comes and i decide to turn up the heat and bet out, I donā€™t want to lose value by checking to him. Did i make the right size bet? I didnt think it was too hard of a call for him but iā€™m not too stressed if he folds here, the re-raise didnt really scare me i was 99% sure he didnā€™t have AA or 77 so it was a nice gift.

Basically asking for advice on extracting value from big hands and how to act on each street using my hand as an example of how i like to play. Discuss.

i like it rewrew. i think it looks fairly standard. if i could change something iā€™d make it bigger on the turn, simply because a minraise i believe reveals the strength of your hand. also if u do it without the full house you give him odds he will accept to draw with a hand like he had.

although you say this is a very aggressive player i like a bigger turn raise also to extract value from a worse hand. what i mean is even though his turn betting range is wide because he is aggressive i still think he has a strong made hand enough for you to put in a bigger raise. there are a lot of river cards that can kill your action especially when u bet out of position so get more money in on the turn.

as played river bet is good. i donā€™t know what he was thinking with his raise but it kinda looks like you were destined to get all the money in against this particular player, pretty poorly played by this opponent. i wouldnā€™t dream of checking this river except against the most aggressive of players. people who are almost certain to push any missed draw/bluff on the river. but having said that, it looks like this may be one of those players, iā€™d put a note down on him.

I do usually make my move stronger on the turn i just felt if i made it too much he gets away from the hand too easy if heā€™s on a draw like he was, i understand a lot of people are seeing a monster with a small raise like i made though. Although looking at his re-raise on the river this guy is calling anything!

Notes have been put down on him and heā€™s earned a place on my buddy list :rofl:

That guy looks like he hates mobney

i didnā€™t like the bet on the flop because of the suited cards. i would usually protect my hand on those type of flops because if he got the flush on the turn and not pairing the board or hitting an ace or 6, ur pretty much f**ing urself. but then u have more outs on the turn, but then again ur behind in the hand.

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I take it this takes place online.

hey did i do something wrong here?

PokerStars Game #4626580631: Holdā€™em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/04/14 - 20:09:21 (ET)
Table ā€˜Leona IIā€™ 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: PRDA ($22.65 in chips)
Seat 2: michael234 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 4: ECU ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 6: AINGL ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: donaldducktm ($60.85 in chips)
Seat 8: sockrobot ($5.80 in chips)
Seat 9: enrrique ($3.65 in chips)
enrrique: posts small blind $0.10
PRDA: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to donaldducktm [Tc Td]
michael234: folds
ECU: folds
AINGL: calls $0.25
donaldducktm: raises $0.75 to $1
sockrobot: folds
enrrique: folds
PRDA: calls $0.75
AINGL: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [2c Ts Ac]
PRDA: bets $0.75
AINGL: calls $0.75
donaldducktm: raises $1.50 to $2.25
PRDA: calls $1.50
AINGL: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [2c Ts Ac] [5d]
PRDA: checks
AINGL: checks
donaldducktm: bets $4.75
PRDA: folds
AINGL: calls $4.75
*** RIVER *** [2c Ts Ac 5d] [4h]
AINGL: bets $17 and is all-in
donaldducktm: calls $17
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AINGL: shows [3s 3c] (a straight, Ace to Five)
donaldducktm: mucks hand
AINGL collected $50.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $53.35 | Rake $2.60
Board [2c Ts Ac 5d 4h]
Seat 1: PRDA (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: michael234 folded before Flop (didnā€™t bet)
Seat 4: ECU folded before Flop (didnā€™t bet)
Seat 6: AINGL showed [3s 3c] and won ($50.75) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 7: donaldducktm mucked [Tc Td]
Seat 8: sockrobot (button) folded before Flop (didnā€™t bet)
Seat 9: enrrique (small blind) folded before Flop

yes u bring up a good point. you do want him to make a worse made hand but because of his flop raise and turn bet i suspect he has a made hand far more than a draw, which is why i wouldnā€™t worry about scaring him off. it will be a bad river card that will scare him off. however if this opponent is such that he doesnā€™t know when not to semi-bluff or take a free card the decision comes closer. that is to say he will be drawing/semi-bluffing more often on the turn.

iā€™m not claiming my line is perfect because indeed if he is drawing on the turn a big raise might make him fold but iā€™m more concerned with getting more money in now cause i feel he has a made hand. it would also be a clear bigger raise with deeper stacks. getting more money in/making him feel bigger stacks give him better implied odds make it a clear pot size raise.

don i like your hand. maybe make it a little bigger on the flop. turn bet is good, and river call is good. i suspect this player was a total noob however seeing the results.

5/2/06 yall.

Stack: largest 373160, smallest 8058, average 90019
Your current position is 15 out of 126

$5 rebuy 25k guaranteed if anyone wants to rail.

i see u flip. but, a yankee avatar? aw. gl final table this.