There was one other person in the pot who folded after the turn when I raised his bet and the guy with the draw called $4. I dont remember the suits but I know the KQ on the board was suited. I know about pot odds and all that shit, so don’t patronize me like I don’t know what I’m talking about. The pot odds said that this fucker should have folded. The only reason the pot was so big is because he raised and i re-raised then I called after the river.
maybe he had implied odds 
are you playing PLO or PLO/8? Play style is quite different for these games… if you are play /8, i know yumi saotome plays alot of it, i’ve been playing alot of omaha lately, i prefer it to hold’em really.
for PLO, depends on how many people are at your table, for a full table, you only really can play premium hands, for short handed, you can play a little more loose. But assuming tables are full, try to play hands that are double suited, have combinations of suited and connectors, or high pairs. As always, there is no hard and fast rule, alot depends on your opponents and position,etc.
Regular PLO, I haven’t trie dthe split games yet. Is there anything I coulda done about this? Im thinking I should’ve checked on the river, but I couldn’t fold on the min re-raise…also, should I expect people to call raises with those kinda hands (A-Q-6-7)?
Transcript for your last 5 games requested by tb17 (t.bauza17@gmail.com)
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PokerStars Game #1985171133: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/06/27 - 17:59:02 (ET)
Table ‘Anhui’ Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: SilentAcorns ($1.80 in chips)
Seat 3: SacramentoCA ($18.80 in chips)
Seat 4: DUPPY ($17.20 in chips)
Seat 5: tb17 ($42.90 in chips)
Seat 7: jleech ($49.35 in chips)
Seat 8: shadeizatool ($50.85 in chips)
Seat 9: blueberry ($63.50 in chips)
Da rat11 has returned
blueberry: posts small blind $0.10
SilentAcorns: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [9s Ad 9h As]
SacramentoCA: folds
DUPPY: folds
tb17: raises $0.60 to $0.85
jleech: folds
shadeizatool: calls $0.85
blueberry: calls $0.75
SilentAcorns: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc Qh 7h]
blueberry: checks
tb17: checks
shadeizatool: bets $1
blueberry: folds
tb17: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Qc Qh 7h] [8s]
tb17: checks
shadeizatool: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qc Qh 7h 8s] [2c]
tb17: bets $4.60
shadeizatool: raises $4.60 to $9.20
tb17: calls $4.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shadeizatool: shows [6s 7d Qs Ac] (a full house, Queens full of Sevens)
tb17: mucks hand
shadeizatool collected $22.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $23.20 | Rake $1.15
Board [Qc Qh 7h 8s 2c]
Seat 1: SilentAcorns (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: SacramentoCA folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 4: DUPPY folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 5: tb17 mucked [9s Ad 9h As]
Seat 7: jleech folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 8: shadeizatool (button) showed [6s 7d Qs Ac] and won ($22.05) with a full house, Queens full of Sevens
Seat 9: blueberry (small blind) folded on the Flop
There is no way I’m betting 4.60 on what you had there, and no way I’m calling another 4.60 after that. Maybe I would bet $2 and be prepared to fold to a raise. You had a good hand but you missed completely.
Actually I would have played the entire hand differently. I would have bet the flop. If I get raised there I fold. If I get called there I get suspicious. bet enough to force out a heart draw. If they call I probably bet a very minimal amount on the turn but I’m basically done with the hand.
Edit: Look at it this way - playing .10/.25 you lost a $22 pot with 2 pair when the board was paired. Don’t put yourself in that position.
At .10/.25 pot limit you should expect people to call with basically anything. From his perspective he has 67 connectors and AQ connectors, as well as a queen high flush draw. A good way to play Omaha is to look for excuses to fold, but most people look for excuses to call.
Raising before the flop was right. It just didn’t work out. Make a big enough bet to chase out a flush but after that the hand is over. If the board is paired and you don’t have any part of it you are probably behind. The way you make money is on hands where you have the Q7 and the other guy has 77. Big hand over big hand - lose the small pots and win the big ones.
About bankroll management: Bankroll management is the same at all levels. You just have to have enough money. When you move up in limits, make sure you have enough, and if you start doing poorly move back down. Managing your bankroll at .5/.10 is the same as at 100/200.
That was pretty poorly played, in that you barely had anything at the end and it seems you really overvalued your hand.
Anyone ever cry themselves to sleep after a bad beat?
I’ve only play on pokerroom.com so far, and the flops there are insane. Rivers are rediculous too.
I think I should quit for a bit. Maybe I’ll start again next month.
I played my first poker tounry today online. Finished 97th out of 539…i could have went longer but i got called on a bluff when i was all in.
I could have had a quad kill though…4 people went all in with A,J/A,K/A,J/AQ and nothing came up…i would have beat them with my pair of 8s.
Yeah baby just won 1300 by getting first in a poker tourney. I’m happy :tup:
No im not rich im quite poor i just worked my way up. When i first moved to sd from new jersey i was going into the casinos(sycuan/viejas) with a fake id.( i was 17) I was kind of nervous cuz of my age and being in a casino. I went broke a lot playing 1-2 nl and 3-6 limit. Then about 6 months ago my game reached a point where i was just destroying 3-6 games 5 days a week. I studied a lot and really focused on the game. I then stepped up to 4-8 and did well. Got my roll up to like 2500 for poker. Then i got a job at Seaworld(still work there), to take care of my living expenses and not have to touch my poker roll. It is much easier to play and focus when you know there is a paycheck to look forward to. Managing bankroll was extremely difficult for me when i started out. Just be sure to always keep a notebook of your wins/losses and how much you played,limit/location etc.It has helped me to improve a LOT. One thing to be careful of is that young players are very susceptible to TILT!. Once you can overcome that and maintain your peak level of play through highs and lows you will do great because i believe the cards always turn even. As of right now i play 2-3 days a week depending on my days off. I average about 500-600 weekly playing mostly 4-8 and sometimes 8-16 when available. Yesterday(sunday) and today i played at sycuan and did very well. Won 400 on sun in a little 3-6 and 4-8. Today i won 500 in NL and lost 150 in 4-8. If you ever plan on going to the casino let me know ill help you out a bit if you got any questions.
I haven’t bought a book yet. I just read them at Border’s or some other bookstore. But if I do get some, I’ll swap some with you. Cache Creek next week!! Oh yes!
Omaha you’re usually going to need more than just 2 pair to win. any good hands you play preflop are usually going to require hitting a flop to win as well.
Hey I plan on visiting a 18 casino soon, cause my bankroll is nice and healthy after I got a bit of luck and won a 530 man tournament for $2500 bucks. What do you suggest playing there? I’m probably only planning to play with around 300-400, would limit or no limit be better? I think I’m pretty decent at O8 too, but I assume thats not too popular in most casinos?
Occasionally I’ll play at Viejas, but usually only if I’m there for a tournament also. I’m in Clairemont Mesa, so it’s kind of far to go there just to play the live games.
It’s not as much fun for me to play live simply because it moves so slowly. When I play online, I’m usually playing 4 tables at once. Playing live and playing on those super-loose tables, I find myself playing maybe 1 or 2 hands per half hour and it just seems dull.
One of your disadvantages is actually why I like playing online more than live. The record keeping is so much easier online. I used to keep a notebook of all my live play, keeping exact count on how much I was up, how much I was down, hands I remembered. A buddy of mine told me to make a mark for every hand I won and toked the dealer. He said “wait a couple months and add up all the marks in your notebook”. Well, I did what he said and noticed that I’d paid almost $1000 in tips when I was just getting started. I mean, when you’re playing 4-8, that + rake = your profit margin. I still play live because it’s fun and because I enjoy intimidating people, but it’s just not as profitable as online play.
–Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com
Damn Im gonna vent for a second cause I just had a similar situation to Krasshole, I had pocket Kings and I raised preflop, 3 callers, flop comes like J 7 rag, I raise it 4x bb, 2 callers, comes an 8, first to act guy bets like 40(bb was 20) I reraise to 160 or something, he reraises all in, I call. He’s got 5 6o, river comes a 4. AAARGH why would you call a preflop raise with 5 6o in NL? I actually asked him why which I dont usually do, he’s like well its just for fun. Thats the worst thing you can hear when you get outdrawn, that they just wanted to act mentally deficient.
i got raped by triple 5 again…now im too scare to go in when there is a 5 out…but got 5 straight last night so it was all good =)
You should probably start out at 2-4/3-6 limit or a NL with a 100-200 max buy-in(always buy the max). The O8 2-4 and 3-6 game where i play is very action oriented and you could take major chip swings so you should stay away from those games. You really should stick with a small limit game if you can only play with 300-400 and try to build up from that. The skill level of players in those games is pretty low and you can easily take a 3-4 big bet per hour profit if you are a good player. Get the book small stakes hold’em by sklansky its a pretty good book and gives some good tips on how to crush those small limit games. But don’t try to step up and use the same tactics in an 8-16 or 15-30 game because the play is much different.
Your right about the tipping and rake in the lower limit games but when playing 8-16 and 15-30 tipping and rake is pretty much moot because the rake in 15-30 is the same as 3-6. 3BB per hour in 15-30 is 90 bucks minus 6 bucks for tips = 84/90. In 3-6 18 bucks - 6 tips = 12/18 which is a complete BB! That is why im happy to be done grinding out those 3-6 games for 10 hours a day. Although the 3-6 games in the casinos are ridiculously easy for me to beat i still prefer the higher limit games with a little bit more profit margin.
i will definitely give u a holler when i do come to SD to play. while growing into the game, no one has really taught me anything…i learned by myself and it tended to be costly :sad:
Yeah, I can understand that. I’m just not willing to set aside the amount of money to be able to play that high yet. Especially given how loose and wild the games are at the Viejas. I play pretty much same limits live as I do online, except I’ll occasionally play the 8-16 game at Oceanside when they spread it. That’s really about as high as I go.
Do you go for the tournaments at all?
–Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com