The OFFICIAL Pokemon thread ver 2.5

General Discussion
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NEWS ON THE CURRENT OU METAGAME (or what I’ve been noticing lately)

3 battles today 3 people used Rotom (no forms, just Rotom)

Are Scizor counters that important now? Most people are using the CB set, though I will say STABED U-turn is as awesome as it gets.

So here’s another thing, why is Dragonite STILL OU? Smogon bases its tiers off actual testing usage, I’ve not once seen a Dragonite these past 2 months while battling the smogoners. It’s pretty much a sure bet he’ll drop to BL, I just see it. Flygon can switch-in better, and Meance just outclasses him as a faster hitter. The OU metagame has no purpose for a Dragonite in people’s slots, there’s just too many fast-heavy hitters now.

Lets talk about Weavile, the ONLY thing he can do now is like revenge kill. He can’t setup SD anymore, that set is just useless now. Pursuit Weavile is fun but outclassed by PursuiTar, and more steel types are getting the OK in people’s teams. Metagross, Scizor, Lucario, even Magnezone for traping Scizor. He can’t switch in with S/R rampant, just damn whata fall from grace.

Hailstorm Teams are now officially extinct. Stealth Rock is too in demand, every battle expect those rocks to go up. Maybe they’ll have another discussion about banning S/R, but for now this combined with Scizor = free sweep of hailstorm teams.

Walls are on the decline, walling somebody is not as easy as it use to be. SkarmBilss is done, Skarm can’t switch in on everything like he use to. Blissey still does the job, but there’s more counters to handle her now. Gengar can explode on her, and she is often tricked into holding a CS crippling her moveset. Walls now REALLY have to be that damn good, or it’s a waste of a slot. Same goes for Baton Passing, even Smeragle can’t setup anymore with all the faster pokemon that taunt you.

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Something similar happened to me last summer when I bought a pack for shiggles. Luckily, I played a lot during the R/B era, and not much has changed. You could always “acquire” the Pokemon Trading Card Game for Game Boy Color to learn, since the rules are mostly the same.

Setup goes like this:

  1. Shuffle your deck.
  2. Draw 7 cards.
  3. Put down at least one Basic Pokemon from your hand face-down (there are some Poke-Powers that only take effect when you put your Pokemon down from your hand to your bench, so you don’t want to play those during setup unless they’re your only Basic). If you don’t have any basic Pokemon, you have to reshuffle your hand into your deck, draw 7 cards, and your opponent may draw 1 more card.
  4. Set the next 6 cards from the top of your deck to the side face-down as your prize cards.
  5. Flip a coin to determine who goes first.

During your tun, you can(excluding the effects of Poke-Powers, Poke-Bodies, Attacks, Trainers, Stadiums, Supporters, etc.):

  1. Draw a card (required)

-Play a Supporter (only 1 per turn)
-Play Trainers (as many as you want)
-Play Stadiums (as many as you want, I think, though only one can be in play at a time)
-Retreat (once per turn, and you must discard the necessary energy attached to the Pokemon to retreat it)
-Attach an energy (only 1 per turn)
-Evolve a Pokemon (cannot evolve the same turn it was put into play or if it has already been evolved on that turn, with the exception of cards played during setup, which can be evolved on your first turn if you go second)
3. Attack (which ends your turn) or end your turn without attacking
Note: You cannot play Trainers/Stadiums/Supporters on the very first turn (which makes it more advantageous to go second).

You win when either:

  1. You take all of your prizes.
  2. Your opponent runs out of cards to draw.
  3. Your opponent has no Pokemon in play.

As far as match-ups and deck building go, most people choose one Pokemon to attack with, and base the rest of their cards around supporting it. Weaknesses haven’t been much of factor since DP when they replaced x2 weakness with +10-40 weakness, but they brought x2 back with SP Pokemon and HGSS, which isn’t much of a problem for SPs (which run like every type in their decks and rape everything), but definitely factors into HGSS match-ups. If you’re really concerned about weakness, you can play things like Exploud (Supreme Victors) whose Poke-Body removes all of your Pokemon’s weaknesses, or Sunnyshore Gym (Rising Rivals) which does the same, but only for electric Pokemon.

Hope that helps.

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yes, scizor counters are that important because they are on 30% of teams (based on shoddy at least). you should know how bad a scizor can demolish unprepared teams with stab CB bullet punch so i think it’s a must that any team have a check for him. my two favorite checks are rotom-H and zapdos.

extremespeed dragonite could probably be used as a good lead and can beat suicide leads that like to setup rocks (azelf, aerodactyl) thanks to its typing and movepool…but i don’t think dragonite can do much else. now that i think about it, he could probably beat every common lead cause of its resistances. he can’t be flinched either from the likes of ambipom or infernape.

hmm weavile…i think weavile sucks (but i’ve thought about him sucking for a long time). weavile doesn’t have any stab physical move that can really take advantage of its high attack…the only stab’d move that people run is ice shard and it’s a terrible base 40 attack. not to mention the fact that it can’t take a hit…at all. yeah i think it should’ve been UU a long time ago.

hailstorm teams aren’t extinct (well they are for people who run mono-ice teams). if you run a weather team all of your pokemon shouldn’t be mono-type’d anyway…i put together an ice team that did very well against random people. also when you put together weather teams you need to have a counter for those problem pokemon (ie. tyranitar, scizor, infernape, kingdra). no one should ever make a mono-type team when running weather.

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Re: Dragonite

Dragonite leads tend to not do very well from my experience. Bulky waters hate coming in on a DD Outrage, but can still threaten with ice beam. Steels can defend nicely against at least one DD Outrage, and hit back with SE. Dragonite is a good pokemon but he’s still fighting for his life to gain a slot on people’s teams. The addition of Latias in the OU metagame doesn’t help it much, either.

Re: Scizor

Yea, I love Zapdos and Rotom as true counters. I need to teach my Zapdos Heat Wave, along with maybe roost.

Re: Weavile

Ice Punch is another alternative, but it still doesn’t have the base to right home about. That’s what people struggle about weavile, priority or power. I tend to go with power because he’s already fast enough.

Re: Hailstorm

Hailstorm teams aren’t like SS ones. With SS teams you can be more creative because 3 other types give immunity to it, while Hailstorm only one. A pure Hailstorm team wouldn’t be the smartest thing, but what advantages do Hailstorm really give outside its ice allies? For example, Rock pokemon gain 50% Sp. Def boost from the SS. Water gains nothing from Hailstorm except lumps on the head, for this reason most Hailstorm teams are centered around Ice types.

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regarding dragonite…the number one pokemon that should be paired with dragonite (or really any dragon at all) is magnezone. you can’t risk gambling with being locked into outrage until you find out what steels your opponent is carrying. once those steels are revealed to you…just let magnezone trap and kill them. magnezone should be used only when you want to build your team around a dragon, of course. CB scizor and forretress are probably the biggest problems to dragons so why not trap and take em out?

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I fixed my wifi…i can connect my DS online again! yay!!!

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And more and more people are doing so. At a time zone was primarily used to trap skarm, that’s not the case anymore. However, most zone must be sporting HP Fire or risk eating a CB superpower. Forretress can explode on zone and cripple him a bit, allowing another sweeper to come in and take advantage of zone’s mediocre speed. Faster steels can and will strike back with EQ for OHKO, so it wouldn’t make much since to trap something like metagross.

I played again today and ran into ANOTHER lead S/Rer. You guessed it, Aerodactyl. These things are in DEMAND!

Yo allan if you see this I’m off today, lets get in those trades when you’re ready :stuck_out_tongue: no roost sucks.

7008

Who wants to battle here? I’ve been playing smogoners for 2 months, I’d like to play some SRKers sometime :o

7009

later tonight bro. I’ll video tape my ass ramming :smiley:

7010

cool, looking forward to it.

7011

I may be able to dig out my Pokemon Diamond and lay on a thick coating of beatdown on any challenger. Who wants it?

7012

I’ll play, I think I lost your old FC though.

7013

yeah, that’s why i specifically mentioned CB scizor…magnezone can setup on it all day with sub + magnet rise and k.o it with HP fire. forretress is in the same situation but is far worse off because it can’t deal enough damage to break it’s substitutes and earthquakes are obviously going to be nullified due to magnet rise. in that situation it’s just best to explode if you are forretress so at least you have a chance at breaking its substitutes to have something else on your team take it out. metagross is a bit trickier to counter…some people run EQ on metagross and some don’t. have to let your opponent reveal the set the it’s running.

ah s/r aerodactyl…i haven’t seen him in a while.

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Travis, see my message. :tup:

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The problem is that Magnet Rise doesn’t grant fighting immunity, so he’ll still take a chunk of damage from UNSTABED SP (it won’t OHKO I don’t think though, Zone has good defense). Of course, this falls entirely on prediction because when people send out Sczior he usually forces switches. If Zone came in on SP it wouldn’t be nice.

Forretress on the other hand won’t explode until it properly sets up or it’s HP is low. Zone pretty much owns it free like Skarmory, haha because it resist explosion. Almost every metagross has EQ, the point is figuring out if it’s Banded or Agili. Aerodactyl leads are becoming popular again because he is the fastest lead that can setup S/R without a Scarf.

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Yeah, that helps a bit. Thanks.

I played a little of the GBC game yesterday, and after doing so, I can understand why you’d try and base a deck around a few Pokemon and use a lot of support cards. I guess I’ll just make do with what I have though, haha. I have a handful of cards I got from a girl who used to collect them a while ago, aside from the pre-con deck I bought though, so maybe I can use a few of those with it.

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Travis I’m getting online to do the trade. If you wanted to battle later that’ll have to wait until another day. :razz:

EDIT: You’re on ‘battle’, not ‘trade’! :rofl:

7018

yea, battling a smogoner. I’ll be ready afterwards allan sorry for the wait :slight_smile:

7019

ok sorry allan for the wait, the smogoner beat me 5-6, trading now :sad:

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Trade complete! Sorry about the loss. :shake: