The Official Collected Editions Thread (New & Improved!)

Bought the new Daredevil trade yesterday, prolly gonna go read some of it now :slight_smile:

Bought the first Preacher Trade.

holy fuck was that a great ride.

can’t wait to read more!

I started reading Kingdom Come today. I already finished chapter one and I’ve only got a few more pages to go until I finish Chapter two (I stopped so I could type this up). Alex Ross artwork contiunes to amaze me. I could look at the man’s art forever. Mark Waid is a pretty good writer, too. I also like the tone of the story, which I really didn’t know anything about until I started reading. Basically, Supes called it quits and everyone else from his generation (except Bats) followed. The new gerenation is basically composed of a bunch of punks that could care less about the safety of the people they are supposed to protect. Oh and I love Supes outfit in this story. He’s pimping that blackness in that outfit.

I still like KC, because I remember reading it for the first time.

even after I grew to hate Alex Ross, and his artwork, I still look at KC with reverence.

yeah i think everyone starts hating alex ross eventually. photo realism = lazy

It’s not just that. It’s masturbatory. Most of his stuff is more focused on showing what he can do than telling a story. Art in comics has a lot to do with the pacing of the stories, and Ross’s pace is always constipated because there’s so much shit to look at.

I’m just sick of seeing his overweight friends in rumpled halloween costumes.

he has like TWO female models, and they’re both butch. So all of his women look like Lesbiamazons.

plus, his shameless egotistical tirades, and outright refusal to 1: draw Batman properly, 2: Draw Kyle Rayner AT ALL, and 3: His strange hatred of Firestorm, or for that matter, anything created after 1985 (save for things HE created).

When it was announced that Hal would be returning at Comic Con, he shouted ā€˜WE WON!’.

I would’ve liked to have spit on him for that.

Just because there’s too much stuff going on in a panel doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not serving a purpose in pacing the story. It doesn’t always mean that the artist is just trying to show off what he can do. Just take a look at a Geoff Darrow comic, or a random issue of Mad. Or how about a Rob Liefeld comic - the level of detail in his backgrounds is just insane. You could spend hours getting lost in analyzing how the colorist fills in the gradients of a blank wall behind a lone character.

I don’t see why you’re so anti-Ross, Taichi. Hate him because he’s got male pattern baldness and highly successful, not because he won’t draw Kyle Rayner. I am sure lots of Marvel/DC artists refuse to draw things I want to see, like schoolgirl tentacle lovefests - but even I don’t hold that against them.

Zeph, I’m never gonna like the guy, and nothing can convince me to.

I’ve hated him for about a decade now, I think if I were gonna start loving him it would’ve happened by now.

Sorry to disappoint you, but that’s just how it is. Not everybody’s gonna see the appeal of the Mona Lisa, and not everybody’s gonna love Alex Ross.

that’s not to say there aren’t Ross Works that speak to me, I LOVE his George Bush sucking blood from Lady Liberty, I don’t think I have a problem with any of his Astro City stuff. And any collaboration with Jim Lee (Especially the Batman Superman one they did), but my dislike of him goes beyond his work.

Oh, I am not trying to convince you to give him another chance or anything that would compromise your integrity. I have way too much personal respect for you to do that. I was just playing devil’s advocate because I got tired of playing with myself.

LOL, it’s not a personal integrity matter, really.

I do like some of his work, legitimately, and I can like his work while still hating him as a person.

hate is a strong word, but when he’s allowed carte blanche to reshape the DCU, just so he doesn’t defect to the competition, what am I supposed to do?

I hate Todd McFarlane as a person as well, but respect him as a businessman. Even if he is a dirtbag businessman, and an outright thief.

he’s still shrewd, and turned a poor, half-baked idea into a media empire.

Brian Pulido should be so lucky…

  1. When Geoff Darrow does it, he’s actually doing something other than jacking off. The hyper-detail in his drawings actually tell you something about the story, much like the over-the-top cartooning in a Frank Miller book. Mad Magazine is the same way. They’re not trying to impress you with how real it looks; they’re consciously creating an atmosphere of the bizarre. 2. The fact that you can spend hours examining a panel is not necessarily a good thing–in fact, it’s rarely a good thing. Darrow, Adams, and Gibbons walk a fine line. Ross, Liefeld, Lee, and countless other masturbators cross it on a regular basis.

A detailed background might make for a great piece of art, but more often than not, it slams on the brakes when it’s time to tell a story. Take a look at Eisner: you might see one or two complete backgrounds on any given page, and from there, he gives you just enough detail so you know exactly what’s going on, and no more. He trusts that the reader has a memory that lasts for more than five seconds, and utilizes it very carefully when telling the story. What’s the storytelling purpose when Ross paints every eyelash on Superman’s face, or every non-existent wrinkle in Batman’s forehead, or every single pane of every window in every panel of the story? There isn’t one.

I don’t HATE Ross. He’s a good painter, but he’s a novice storyteller, and probably always will be.

This weekend, I finished readint these trades: Watchmen & Kingdom Come.

Watchmen: Well, man, this was a very well-written story that was driven more by the complex characters than the plot itself. When the story started out, I thought it was some vendetta against masked heroes. Then we shift to the possibility of World War III. The Comedian was killed only because me had the misfortune of finding out about Veidt’s plan. I have to admit that Veidt’s long planning was brilliant. But millions of lives had to be lost for it to succeed. Hey if millions gotta die to keep billions more alive and prevent the world from ending from a nuclear war, I guess you gotta do what you gotta do.

Kingdom Come: What a fantastic read! My first Mark Waid tale and I loved it! Having Norman Mcay observe the events from the outside was a very nice touch and then having him talk down Supes at the end was cool. Bats was still dope even in his old age! Man, that Batsuit he was pimping was the hotness. I really liked how the story concluded. Clark and Diana, from what it seems, got married and Supes got to tap Wonder Woman!!! :clap: And Bruce got to be the kid’s godfather. Can you imagine what that kid would grow up to be like? A super being with some of Batman’s intellect. Good freaking grief! That’s awesome and scary at the same time! :rofl:

got my latest shipment today which includes among other things 3 omnibuses: Bru’s Captain America (yes I gave in and got it…mainly due to how much I liked X-Men), Fourth World vol. 2, and the 90s awesomeness that is Death and Return of Superman.

It certainly was the 90s.

Stuff I have read lately:

Exit Wounds by Rutu Modan - http://www.amazon.com/Exit-Wounds-Rutu-Modan/dp/1897299060/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-7964370-8273505?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191443574&sr=8-1
This is a very good book. I like the clean, crisp art. The people and settings aren’t hyper detailed, but there’s enough to them to really leave an impression in your mind as you read it. Also, the colors were very well done. The story is about an Israeli taxi cab driver who searches for his father, whom he has reason to suspect may have been killed in a suicide bombing.

Curses by Kevin Huizenga - Like Exit Wounds, this book is published by Drawn & Quarterly. Curses is an anthology starring a character named Glenn Ganges. A few of the stories didn’t really do anything much for me and there were at least two or three that were horribly pretentious. The first story was so mind-numbingly pretentious I almost gave up reading the rest of the book. I mean, it was exactly the stereotypically pretentious humdrum that I would expect The Comics Journal to laud with a 3 page essay. I soldiered on, however, and was rewarded with a couple of gems. A couple of the stories were really affecting - there’s this one story in particular about those ā€œHave You Seen Me?ā€ missing persons postcards and it was poetically executed. The art’s pretty well done, especially for the good stories - you can see the artist’s eye for detail and storytelling. In the pretentious stories, it gets pretty bad, though; there’s a ton of just boring talking heads spewing paragraphs of uninteresting nonsense. This is worth borrowing from the library, but I wouldn’t pay money for it.

Fantastic Four: Imaginauts - Read this way back when it came out and finally got my own copy. Now my collection of Waid’s FF run is almost complete. That first Waid/Ringo issue is still one of the best single FF issues ever - it pretty much shows why the FF are cool to begin with. I never even liked the FF until I read that issue. Marvel and DC need to do more 9 cent comics. FF #60 indisputably the greatest 9 cent comic of this century.

Amelia Rules! volume 3: Superheroes - Mentioned this series in my last post, but this is one I just finished reading. It’s just a great series. Anyone who likes Bone, Calvin & Hobbes, Peanuts, and life itself should give Amelia Rules a try. There’s just no way a person can’t like it. It’s a witty, humorous all-ages comic book with comic strip sensibilities.

just got my planet hulk HC. can’t wait to read it

You know what I think I kinda hate Alex Ross too.

I can just imagine him sitting in his nerd studio surround by golden age crap dicing up 100 dollars bills and snorting them.

He draws everyone super paunchy. It gets weird after awhile. I basically have all the same gripes as Tachi.

I loved Kingdom Come though.

Ross’ style is realistic enough that it just shows you how silly some of those characters actually look. Like, when you see his Aquaman, it’s so obvious that no one in real life would ever wear that, not even at the SF Gay Pride Parade. When he draws Batman, it sort of reminds you of Adam West. When he draws Superman, it makes you think of that one fat friend of his he uses as a photoref model.

I remember a few years ago in some interview, he said that he probably wouldn’t ever do art for a comic without painting his own work. In other words, he’d never just be a penciler. But his colors are sometimes too photorealistic and just make you realize how silly costumed superheroes would look in real life.

It’s too bad. If you read his DC art book, he is actually a very skilled penciller, and is very capable at emulating the styles of other famous artists. He’s not bad at all. I just think he’d be a much better storyteller if he didn’t try to be so… Alex Ross. There’s nothing wrong with paring things down, making them look less photo-real, and just cutting to the core of what’s important in the shot.