I have no idea tbh I JUST started taking this game seriously and caring about this stuff. I completely agree with you and I can’t shake the feeling that they are caving to jerks who just wanna rack up easy air kills.
The main reasons I left MW for this was to have a more strategic shooter without having to Always deal with some bum who sucks getting barely earned kills. I feel they are giving up some of what makes the Bf series great imo and that makes me sad.
That appears to be the consensus.
Wow really? That is just not good to me especially since so many bought it there are bound to be many who are vocal but have no idea what there are talking about asking for dumb shit without fully understanding the metagame of it all.
Example: I’ve been playing twisted metal for years and there were some idiots who were playing the new demo saying reaper was op because he’s so fast and his special did so much damage but with the game fully out and all the cars you rarely see reapers because they get killed so easily. If esp had nerfed him before hand he would be useless but now he can still be used by people with smart strategy and a hit and run style.
The point is 99% of the time it’s best to wait for the game and community settle in before nerfs and buffs. I hoped dice knew that because heard such great things about them but my faith is damaged and I hope this game stay the more tactical shooter i’ve been having fun with since the demo and not shoot the plane before it rapes us.
The Battlefield community is currently full of crybaby whiners screaming for nerfs because this or that is too OP, shit is getting nerfed left right and centre just to pander to them so that money gets spent on the game. Any of the games real problems seem to fall on deaf ears and reading on video game sites how DICE are “hard at work” is absolutely fucking laughable considering it seems to take them 3 months to fix anything, and not even everything that should have been fixed. Spec Ops camo has been bugged for months, the A10 is bugged and you can’t score points in it and have them count for aircraft, and have they don’t seem to care, I would imagine these two examples would be very quick fixes.
Better than “Robert Trolling” anyday though.
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Yet only one exists. The term was ‘adopted’ because of the amount of dunces who kept using a misinterpretation of
the actual device, it became commonplace. Just like all the ridiculous ‘slang’ in the English dictionary. Nice try though.
~K.
Im just wondering why you care so much? Do you also get upset if someone says Clip instead of Magazine?
He obviously took the this is my Rifle this is my Gun part of Full Metal Jacket alittle to seriously.
BTW they really do have you do that in Boot Camp.
You’re just precious aren’t you. You think saying “Nice try” makes you correct? You dumb motherfucker. Again, the US firearms code states their existance. Early supressors were ONLY called silencers. I’ll school you all fucking day if I have to. Hell, I doubt you’ve even been near a range.
He probably does, most likely because he doesn’t realise that some magazines were called just that, such as the M1 Garand 8-round clip.
I run around with a Type 88 or a Mk11 with a Holographic Sight on Open maps as a Recon and whilst having a spawn beacon and SOFLAM up. So fun.
That feel when I go MVP being a lazy shit
In other news the An-94 is still ass…maybe cause we still have yet to receive the mini-patch that made it worth using.
Any tips to play the recon class properly? i’m more an assault and assist player, trying to learn recon now, as far as i know the main objective is to recognize any enemy movement for my team advantadge and gain some points in that way and completing objectives instead of killing.
Also what’s the best support weapon? i’m using the PKP- Pecheneg with great results.
Yeah, either throw away your sniper rifle and go with a PDW or put an acog on your semi-auto sniper and go for agressive recon. Move around the map with your squad, use your kit when necessary and keep capping objectives and being of use for your team - sitting a mile away looking through a scope or getting the ocassional MAV kill is NOT conducive to teamwork!
A lot of people swear by the M249, but I’m quite liking the MG36 at the moment.
M249 IS gdlk that’s why. Mg36 is okay too I guess but why not go with the proven commodity? Lately when I’m on a so and so team I just throw a bunch of c4 on our mcom if there are no tanks around then as soon as they arm it boom easy kill. I don’t think there are any guns that are useless in this game tho.
Also why is it that whenever a recon player on my team actually uses a spawn placement thing it’s always in some nonsensical place? Like in the air where you have to parachute down miles away from where the battle is, why not place somewhere safe or useful like around the a mcom we have to attack or defend? Or how about somewhere you know the enemy is gonna try to flank us at? I know it got nerfed or something but cmon…
Cause they’re retarded.
EDIT: Massive list of upcoming patch changes.
1. Damage changes
Assault Rifles:
545x45mm bullet minimum damage (All assault rifles except G3A1)
[LIST]
[]17 -> 18.4 {Buff}
[/LIST]
G3A1
[LIST]
[]Min Damage 20 -> 22 {Buff}
[]Max damage 30 -> 34 {Buff}
[/LIST]
Carbines
SCAR-H
[LIST]
[]Min Damage 17 -> 20 {Buff}
[/LIST]
LMGs
M60 & M240B
[LIST]
[]Max damage 30 -> 34 {Buff}
[]Min damage 20 -> 22 {Buff}
[/LIST]
PKP
[LIST]
[]Min damage 20 -> 22 {Buff}
[/LIST]
M249, M27IAR, RPK-74M
[LIST]
[]Min damage 17 -> 18.4
[/LIST]
Sniper rifles
All sniper rifles:
[LIST]
[]Upper chest damage multiplier 1 -> 1.25 {Buff}
[/LIST]
M98B
[LIST]
[]Max damage 95 -> 80 [Nerf]
[]Dropoff start dist. 20 -> 15 [Nerf]
[]Dropoff end dist. 75 -> 120 {Buff}
[/LIST]
All other bolt-action sniper rifles
[LIST]
[]Max damage 75 -> 80 {Buff}
[]Min damage 55 -> 59 {Buff}
[]Dropoff start dist. 20 -> 15 [Nerf]
[]Dropoff end dist. 75 -> 100 {Buff}
[/LIST]
All semiautomatic sniper rifles except SKS:
[LIST]
[]Min damage: 34 -> 37.5 {Buff}
[]Dropoff start distance 12 -> 15 {Buff}
[/LIST]
SKS
[LIST]
[*]Dropoff end distance 50 -> 60 {Buff}
[/LIST]
2. Attachments
Fore grip
[LIST]
[]Basically before it reduced the horizontal recoil by 50%, in these files it reduces h-recoil only ~20-33% depending on weapon.
[]It also increases the minimum spread 20% ~ 50% depending on stance and weapon.
[/LIST]
Suppressor
[LIST]
[]Suppressors will not reduce the damage anymore.
[]Now it will reduce the distance where damage starts/stops to drop off instead.
[]For most weapons it will decrease the min spread by 25% instead of 50%
[]Although looks like M60 will still have the same 50% effect.
[/LIST]
Heavy barrel
[LIST]
[]For most of the weapons it decreases ADS min spread by 75 or 50% depending on weapon.
[]Recoil is still increased by 10 or 15% and HIP min spread by 20-25% depending on weapon.
[]It doesn’t make AN94 100% accurate anymore while aiming down the sight.
[]Reduces ADS min spread by 75% and only increases recoil by 10%, the hip fire penalty is 20% for AN94
[]G3A1 is same than AN94 except heavy barrel increases recoil 6.7% and hip fire is increased only 14.3%
[]For few weapons it also makes Spread increase per shot 10% higher.
[]It will also increase drop-off end distance by 50% making weapons more deadly at ranges between 50m and 90m, depending on weapon.
[/LIST]
Flash suppressor
[LIST]
[]Will decrease recoil by 17 ~ 25% depending on weapon.
[]For most weapons it increases hip min spread by 20~25% but some weapons don’t have any hip accuracy penalty.
[/LIST]
Extended magazine
[LIST]
[]There seems to be extended magazine for AS VAL which didn’t exist before.
[*]With ext mag it will have 30 bullets in a mag instead of 20
[/LIST]
3. Accuracy changes
Assault rifles
AEK971
[LIST]
[]Recoil right 0.5 -> 0.3 [Nerf]
[]ADS Min Spread, Not moving 0.2 -> 0.4 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
AK74M
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.3 -> 0.28 {Buff}
[]FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 1.5 {Buff}
[/LIST]
AN94
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.45 -> 0.3 {Buff}
[]FirstSRecoilMul 1.5 -> 2 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
F2000
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.3 -> 0.26 {Buff}
[/LIST]
FAMAS
[LIST]
[]Recoil left 0.6 -> 0.35 {Buff}
[]Recoil right 0.6 -> 0.5 {Buff}
[]Recoil decrease 15 -> 18 {Buff}
[]FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 2.6 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
G3A1
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.55 -> 0.45 {Buff}
[]FirstSRecoilMul 1.2 -> 1.8 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
L85A2
[LIST]
[]Recoil left 0.4 -> 0.3 {Buff}
[]Recoil decrease 22 -> 18 [Nerf]
[]Min spread, ADS, not moving 0.4 -> 0.2 {Buff}
[/LIST]
M416
[LIST]
[]FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 2.4 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
Carbines
AKS74u
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.3 -> 0.28 {Buff}
[]FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 2.2 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
HK53
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.3 -> 0.28 {Buff}
[]Recoil left 0.3 -> 0.2 {Buff}
[]Recoil right 0.5 -> 0.35 {Buff}
[]Recoil decrease 22 -> 18 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
SCAR-H
[LIST]
[]Recoil decrease 15 -> 13 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
SG553
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.3 -> 0.25 {Buff}
[]FirstSRecoilMul 2.5 -> 2.2 {Buff}
[/LIST]
QBZ-95B
[LIST]
[]Recoil left 0.5 -> 0.335 {Buff}
[]Recoil right 0.5 -> 0.335 {Buff}
[]Recoil decrease 22 -> 18 [Nerf]
[]Min spread, ADS, not moving 0.4 -> 0.5 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
LMGs
M240
[LIST]
[]FirstSRecoilMul 1 -> 1.7 {Buff}
[/LIST]
M249
[LIST]
[]FirstSRecoilMul 1 -> 2.2 [Nerf]
[]Recoil decrease 15 -> 12 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
M60
[LIST]
[]FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 1.5
[/LIST]
MG36
[LIST]
[]Recoil decrease 15 -> 13 [Nerf]
[]FirstSRecoilMul 1 -> 1.8 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
PKP
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.75 -> 0.65 {Buff}
[]Recoil decrease 7 -> 13 {Buff}
[]FirstSRecoilMul 1 -> 1.5 [Nerf]
[]Max spread, ADS, not moving 1 -> 3 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
Type88
[LIST]
[]Recoil left 0.4 -> 0.3
[]Recoil right 0.4 -> 0.3
[]Recoil decrease 15 -> 12 [Nerf]
[]FirstSRecoilMul 1.34 -> 1.5 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
RPK
[LIST]
[]Recoil decrease 15 -> 13 [Nerf]
[]FirstSRecoilMul 2 -> 1.8 {Buff}
[/LIST]
QBB-95
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.45 -> 0.37 {Buff}
[]Recoil left 0.1 -> 0.4 [Nerf]
[]Recoil right 0.3 -> 0.4 [Nerf]
[]FirstSRecoilMul 1 -> 2 [Nerf]
[]Recoil decrease 15 -> 13 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
PDWs
AS VAL
Recoil left 0.2 -> 0.25 [Nerf]
Recoil right 0.3 -> 0.45 [Nerf]
Recoil decrease 22 -> 18 [Nerf]
PDW-R
Recoil decrease 22 -> 18 [Nerf]
FirstSRecoilMul 2.5 -> 2 {Buff}
Min spread, ADS, not moving 0.4 -> 0.5 [Nerf]
Min spread, ADS, moving 0.6 -> 0.8 [Nerf]
Min spread, HIP, not moving
[LIST]
[]Standing 1.5 -> 2 [Nerf]
[]Crouching 1 -> 1.5 [Nerf]
[]Prone 0.75 -> 1 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
Min spread, HIP, moving
[LIST]
[]Standing 2 -> 2.5 [Nerf]
[]Crouching 1.5 -> 2 [Nerf]
[]Prone 1.25 -> 1.5 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
MP7
[LIST]
[]Min spread, HIP, not moving, prone & crouching 0.75 -> 1.2 [Nerf]
[]Min spread, HIP,moving, prone & crouching 1.25 -> 1.5 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
P90
[LIST]
[]Min spread, HIP, not moving, prone & crouching 0.75 -> 1.2 [Nerf]
[]Min spread, HIP,moving, prone & crouching 1.25 -> 1.5 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
PP-19
[LIST]
[]Recoil decrease 25 -> 20 [Nerf]
[]FirstSRecoilMul 2.5 -> 2 {Buff}
[]Min spread, HIP, not moving, prone & crouching 0.75 -> 1.2 [Nerf]
[]Min spread, HIP,moving, prone & crouching 1.25 -> 1.5 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
PP2000
[LIST]
[]Min spread, HIP, not moving, prone & crouching 0.75 -> 1.2 [Nerf]
[]Min spread, HIP,moving, prone & crouching 1.25 -> 1.5 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
UMP45
[LIST]
[]Min spread, HIP, not moving, prone & crouching 0.75 -> 1.2 [Nerf]
[]Min spread, HIP,moving, prone & crouching 1.25 -> 1.5 [Nerf]
[/LIST]
Pistols
G18
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.7 -> 0.5 {Buff}
[/LIST]
M9
[LIST]
[]RecoilDecrease 15 -> 30 {Buff}
[/LIST]
M93R
[LIST]
[]Recoil up 0.5 -> 0.4 {Buff}
[]Recoil left 0.4 -> 0.2 {Buff}
[]Recoil right 0.4 -> 0.2 {Buff}
[]FirstSRecoilMul 2.5 -> 2 {Buff}
[/LIST]
.44 Magnum
[LIST]
[]Spread increase 0.6 -> 0.3 {Buff}
[/LIST]
Thanks to Jorge and Gav for the tip. We waited for Alan Kertz to publicly authenticate the data before publishing. Kertz stated on Twitter,
Mmmm nerfing the M249 time to use the PKP, also the foregrip and suppresor changes are indirectly nerfs for some weapons (cough FAMAS)…
It seems DICE is just nerfing random recoil aspects and first-shot recoils across the board. I guess you won’t be the full-auto somebody form a distance with the AEK-971or whatever. Not to sure on that Battlefield’s weapon mechanics are WAY more complicated than say Call Of Duty’s.
Found this list of ALL the shit getting changed/adjusted in the next patch.(Still no ETA for the patch though).
Wow, USAS nerfed with the frag rounds included, buckshot will be the primary ammo now but the spread was also nerfed (30% i think) it will be interesting to see how people will deal with the shotguns now, the M4 will be a long range carabine now imo.
I want to test the FAMAS with the new suppresor changes: foregrip + suppresor = Laser beam 
Haha nice change.
I played for a minute today. I went into a server named “learn to fly” or some shit. Of course when I got in there I think I was the only person that didnt actually know how to fly very well. I never got to far away from where I took off before some dude shot me down. It was made even harder because my controller wouldnt work for some reason so I had to use the mouse and keyboard to fly.