Posted by Gen2000 on 02:11:2002 05:39 AM:
Awesome thread, I always wanted to know more about the Vampire series, even more
about Gallon, one of my fav characters, but I heard his story isn’t really
related to the series though, is this true?
Also, from that pic, Anita does look alittle like Rose, but I wouldn’t go all
out and say she was/is Rose though, but I do see how the rumor got started
though.
Speaking of Anita, are there two Anita’s in the Vampire series, I already know
of the little girl, but I heard of another that is the Savior or whatever,
what’s up with that?
Posted by Psycho Power J on 02:11:2002 09:49 AM:
Anita becomes the Light Savior when she reaches adulthood. The Light Savior is
suppose to be the future ruler of the human world and destroyer of the
Darkstalkers. It’s why Donovan is protecting her and Jedah wants to kill her.
Posted by Gen2000 on 02:11:2002 11:35 PM:
Well, that makese sense, thanks.
Also, I read Gallon’s story/plot translation on that link from the first post
and I’m still confused, but found out that his curse was never lifted even after
Darkstalkers 2, but the parts before it, I didn’t really understand. The Vampire
story is so “huge” and complex, its like biggern than SF and KOF combined
almost…
Posted by Psycho Power J on 02:12:2002 03:25 AM:
The Vampire storyline is big, but I think what makes it hard to understand is
because of the translation in the link.
To explain why Jon Talbain still turns into a werewolf, it’s because it’s not
really a curse, it’s his true nature. He’s a half-werewolf (his mother’s human).
When he realized that after Pyron was defeated, he stopped thinking it as a
curse, but a part of him that needs to be controlled. This is kind of similar to
Ryu trying not to resort to the Killing Intent.
Posted by Gen2000 on 02:12:2002 07:57 AM:
quote:
To explain why Jon Talbain still turns into a werewolf, it’s because it’s not
really a curse, it’s his true nature. He’s a half-werewolf (his mother’s
human). When he realized that after Pyron was defeated, he stopped thinking it
as a curse, but a part of him that needs to be controlled. This is kind of
similar to Ryu trying not to resort to the Killing Intent.
That would probably explain his “self-battle” at the end of Vampire Savior.
Posted by Clay on 02:12:2002 06:24 PM:
Hey, haven’t been around lately, but I don’t really have too much to add. My
main problem is with Pyron and how he fits into the story. I can’t figure out
how exactly he lost to Demitri. Devourer of stars? I would have thought that he
would have been too powerful. Anyway, I could come up with theories all day, but
I’m wondering if anybody has found any solid information. Perhaps directly from
Capcom. I don’t think that the games state anything. Perhaps Pyron isn’t as
powerful as we were lead to believe. Any input is appreciated.
-Clay
Posted by Psycho Power J on 02:12:2002 10:22 PM:
Okay, I’ve been going around trying to find out more about Pyron. What I’ve
manage to dig up is that Pyron is the supreme overlord of his homeplanet,
Hellstorm. I don’t know what kind of beings inhabit that place, but they’re
probably energy-based beings like himself.
Pyron appears to have a hobby of conquering worlds wherever he goes. No one was
strong enough to oppose him until he came to Earth, where he senses the
Darkstalkers. He adopted a humanoid form to battle the Darkstalkers “under
Earth’s rules”, whatever that means. He probably wasn’t used holding a humanoid
shape, which could be the reason that he could be defeated by Demitri. It’s kind
of like the SF anime where M.Bison was just pushing Ryu and Ken around with his
Psycho Power until he decided to fight them hand-to-hand, at which point he got
defeated. Had Pyron just retained his normal state instead of taking humanoid
form, Demitri might not have been able to defeat him.
About Pyron devouring stars, I don’t think he does. He probably just absorb
energy from them to sustain himself. I don’t think he actually, or is capable
of, consuming entire stars.
Posted by Saiki on 02:12:2002 11:28 PM:
Here’s what I know about Pyron from All about Capcom.
He was a being who lived on Hellstorm who, through evolution, gained immortality
and gained god like abilities. He goes around absorbing energy from stars as a
hobby. He see’s Earth as his next target for his collection and makes his domain
in the deep sea so he can slowly absorb the energy from the earth.
He was defeated by Demitri in Vampire 1. This is stated in All about Capcom. It
doesn’t say how or anything though. I’m hoping All about Vampire Savior will
when I get it.
Posted by Grenade Falcon on 02:12:2002 11:37 PM:
One question that’s still buggin’ me.
How is Anakaris a Darkstalker?
Anakaris was the leader of his own country, who died and came back as a powerful
pharoah, right? If this is true, he couldn’t have been from Makai where all the
B+ ranked soldiers come from.
Posted by Psycho Power J on 02:13:2002 03:11 AM:
If you look at it this way, then half of the DS cast shouldn’t be called
Darkstalkers, because they aren’t from Makai. It’s just what they call anyone
that is powerful enough to be marked as a Class B+ or stronger.
Technically, the Tier 1 SF characters could also be called Darkstalkers.
Posted by Dark LordDragon on 02:17:2002 07:46 AM:
Cool
It’s a very nice thread… Thanks guys for making this thread…
Anyway, I just wanna know more about Jedah Doma… Well I heard that Jedah is a
god then how he has a father, duh!!! I also heard that he was defeated by
Demitri in the game storyline, I heard that at gcc… Anyway here is alot of
thing that I know about Jedah… Jedah, who was resurrected in the barren
outskirts of Makai, laments over a miserable state he has foreseen for the next
world, which will be perched on the verge of destruction. “It is foolish and
meaningless to fight and plunder each other. No one can save this world except
me,” he grumbles. To save all forms of life, every soul needs to be united so as
to become one soul; only then will the world be without violent conflict.
However, Jedah required a durable container that is capable of holding all the
souls in order to prevent him from from making the same mistake that he made
with Berial, the Evil King, 100 years previously. Jedah came up with an idea of
collecting the most valuable souls, and then uniting himself to their combined
essence, creating one container large enough to safely confine all the other
souls. With benevolence in mind, Jedah lands on his feet within the dark entity.
The travelling black void is itself the container called majigen, the spiritual
creation of Jedah. “Join with my soul if you desire peace and tranquility for
all time!”
http://www.gizba.com/x/lorddragon/ljedah.gif
Posted by Psycho Power J on 02:17:2002 05:04 PM:
Dark LordDragon: There is a link on page one of this thread as well as a summary
of the events before the Vampire Series started. Link’s a bit difficult to
understand though. Jedah’s mistake was before he was about to fight Berial, he
absorbed too much energy from the gate between the human and demon world and
blew himself up.
Jedah description is “Messiah of Darkness”, who aims to “save” the demon world
by fusing all the souls together as well as destroying the human world. I don’t
know how demons are born so I’m not sure about where they come from.
As for who wins, it is either Demitri or Morrigan(Probably Demitri, Morrigan
just finds Lilith). Can’t be too sure until the sequel comes out.
I can’t understand Donovan’s story. He’s introduction in Vampire Savior says he
heard a voice coming from Anita’s sleeping body and had his soul pulled into her
consiousness. Then his ending has him trying to wake Anita up. There doesn’t
seem anything that says he fought in Majigen.
Posted by Dark LordDragon on 02:17:2002 08:41 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Power J
Dark LordDragon: There is a link on page one of this thread as well as a
summary of the events before the Vampire Series started. Link’s a bit
difficult to understand though. Jedah’s mistake was before he was about to
fight Berial, he absorbed too much energy from the gate between the human and
demon world and blew himself up.
Jedah description is “Messiah of Darkness”, who aims to “save” the demon world
by fusing all the souls together as well as destroying the human world. I
don’t know how demons are born so I’m not sure about where they come from.
As for who wins, it is either Demitri or Morrigan(Probably Demitri, Morrigan
just finds Lilith). Can’t be too sure until the sequel comes out.
I can’t understand Donovan’s story. He’s introduction in Vampire Savior says
he heard a voice coming from Anita’s sleeping body and had his soul pulled
into her consiousness. Then his ending has him trying to wake Anita up. There
doesn’t seem anything that says he fought in Majigen.
Thanks for these informations, I read the stories, but it seems that Jedah was
the weakest LORD, how can that be!? Berial and Demitri were the true bosses,
anyway whatever about Pyron… I think he hates Jedah alot, can you explain why
? Thanks
Posted by Psycho Power J on 02:18:2002 11:42 AM:
That’s because Jedah is also the youngest of the three lords. He’s about 6,000
years old(relatively young for a demon). Berial and Galnan/Garunan are actually
the two other lords and all three are at Class S. Demitri is just a noble at
Class A and weaker than Jedah. Demitri was only able to gain enough power to
compete with Berial by channeling the energy of the Gate, but still lost anyway
and got sent to the human world by accident when he was defeated.
Pyron doesn’t really hate Jedah. He actually didn’t have anything to do with
Jedah in the first place. You can see it in his ending, he just want to conquer
te devil world, but found out there is nothing to obtain there. I’m not sure as
to what extent Pyron is involved with the story, but I don’t think he actually
fought Jedah, nor blew up the devil world.
Posted by Dark LordDragon on 02:19:2002 02:33 AM:
quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Power J
That’s because Jedah is also the youngest of the three lords. He’s about 6,000
years old(relatively young for a demon). Berial and Galnan/Garunan are
actually the two other lords and all three are at Class S. Demitri is just a
noble at Class A and weaker than Jedah. Demitri was only able to gain enough
power to compete with Berial by channeling the energy of the Gate, but still
lost anyway and got sent to the human world by accident when he was defeated.
Pyron doesn’t really hate Jedah. He actually didn’t have anything to do with
Jedah in the first place. You can see it in his ending, he just want to
conquer te devil world, but found out there is nothing to obtain there. I’m
not sure as to what extent Pyron is involved with the story, but I don’t think
he actually fought Jedah, nor blew up the devil world.
Thanks for these informations…
I don’t like to make a flame war or something but who is much stronger by the
storyline, Orochi or Jedah… Remember not game-wise
Posted by Psycho Power J on 02:19:2002 03:05 AM:
Dark LordDragon: Kind of hard to say. Both can come back to life, both wield
awesome powers, and both could wipe out any SF/KOF character. And also, both can
wipe out the human world. There isn’t really a standard of comparison. However,
if Jedah manages to collect enough souls in Majigen and then fuses with it, he
could probably overpower Orochi. Orochi’s capabilities is only limited in being
capable of destroying the human world, but with all the souls of the devil world
fused with him, Jedah could probably destroy both the human and devil world.
Posted by Saiki on 02:19:2002 03:58 AM:
Lord Dragon
I’ll explain with much better detail why I said Orochi would beat Jedah at
gamefaqs.
Orochi is an entity which cannot take a physical form in the human world. Orochi
is the will of Earth itself. Orochi possess the power to turn everything into
nothingness and can also bend space. But like I said earlier, Orochi cannot take
a physical form in the human world so he cannot use his full power. Now if we
assume that the Capcom world and SNK world were one, Orochi would most likely be
living in Makai. This would mean that Orochi would be able to use it’s full
potential living in Makai.
The characters in Darkstalkers that Jedah fears and cannot defeat is Belial and
the Light Savior(Anita). Anita, if she awakens to her true powers, can also bend
time and space.
If Jedah cannot defeat the Light Savior(who basically has the same powers as
full Orochi), I would assume that Jedah cannot defeat full Orochi as well.
And as a side note, Pyron probably doesn’t even know about Jedah. Unless Capcom
changed the story again, Pyron was consumed by Demitri after he was defeated by
Demitri. Hence why Demitri was so confident of beating Belial when he went back
to Makai.
Posted by Dark LordDragon on 02:19:2002 10:44 AM:
quote:
Originally posted by Saiki
Lord Dragon
I’ll explain with much better detail why I said Orochi would beat Jedah at
gamefaqs.
Orochi is an entity which cannot take a physical form in the human world.
Orochi is the will of Earth itself. Orochi possess the power to turn
everything into nothingness and can also bend space. But like I said earlier,
Orochi cannot take a physical form in the human world so he cannot use his
full power. Now if we assume that the Capcom world and SNK world were one,
Orochi would most likely be living in Makai. This would mean that Orochi would
be able to use it’s full potential living in Makai.
The characters in Darkstalkers that Jedah fears and cannot defeat is Belial
and the Light Savior(Anita). Anita, if she awakens to her true powers, can
also bend time and space.
If Jedah cannot defeat the Light Savior(who basically has the same powers as
full Orochi), I would assume that Jedah cannot defeat full Orochi as well.
And as a side note, Pyron probably doesn’t even know about Jedah. Unless
Capcom changed the story again, Pyron was consumed by Demitri after he was
defeated by Demitri. Hence why Demitri was so confident of beating Belial when
he went back to Makai.
Yeah Orochi just take his true look when he enter in the bodies… I know what
you mean, but I heard Orochi’s true form is a Hydra with 8 heads, and who knows
maybe his moves change too, About Jedah, well I don’t think Jedah fear to face
Belial the matter is he want to rule them all so he wanted to remove Belial,
that’s true maybe Belial is much stronger but who said that he can beat him all
the time, as Kyo and Iori who said that they can beat Orochi all the time, if
that’s so then I think Orochi is weak… And I don’t think that Anita has the
same power as Berial have… But you are right, if Orochi was in the Mokai world
that would make change but since he is not what is your answer!? Anyway, Pyron
isn’t one of the three lords clans then why people think he is much stronger
than Demitri of course by the storyline, I don’t think Demitri is weaker…
Anyway thanks for these informations… Keep going man
quote:
Dark LordDragon: Kind of hard to say. Both can come back to life, both wield
awesome powers, and both could wipe out any SF/KOF character. And also, both
can wipe out the human world. There isn’t really a standard of comparison.
However, if Jedah manages to collect enough souls in Majigen and then fuses
with it, he could probably overpower Orochi. Orochi’s capabilities is only
limited in being capable of destroying the human world, but with all the souls
of the devil world fused with him, Jedah could probably destroy both the human
and devil world.
SO you think it’s a draw match or Maybe Jedah can win, I honestly agree with
you, but take in note that I like Orochi more, anyway Orochi’s power is
unlimited and Jedah’s power count on the souls, when the souls will end Jedah’s
power will end as well, but when the souls will end!!! I like Capcom when they
make a character like this… Anyway it’s cool to hear that Jedah is the
strongest one in Capcom side, I hope to see him as the final boss from Capcom
side and Orochi from SNK side as the final bosses in CvS series, it will be
awesome…
Posted by Siegfried on 02:20:2002 04:45 PM:
Jedah as a character is more powerful than Orochi (although he is limited by
being in a human body). He cuts his head off as a counter and squirts his blood
at the opponent.
Orochi had to gather a lot of “fighting power” or whatever to be able to
resurrect. Jedah does it at will.
Posted by Dark LordDragon on 02:20:2002 10:35 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by Siegfried
Jedah as a character is more powerful than Orochi (although he is limited by
being in a human body). He cuts his head off as a counter and squirts his
blood at the opponent.
Orochi had to gather a lot of “fighting power” or whatever to be able to
resurrect. Jedah does it at will.
So you think Jedah will win good, anyway I just read at gamefaqs that Pyron and
Jedah are not using their true form and real powers, is that mean they are much
stronger than that!!! They said that Pyron just wanted to have some fun on
earth he doesn’t used his powers so he was defeated by Demitri or maybe
Donovan… Did that mean he is much stronger than Jedah!?
Posted by Saiki on 02:21:2002 12:54 AM:
Lord Dragon
Jedah did fear Belial, thats why Jedah didn’t challenge Belial once when he was
alive. He only tried when he found out about the unlimited source of energy from
the human world.
Jedah is using his real and full form. The only reason he is using the
Shintai(the fetus) is because his body cannot handle the nergy needed to take on
the Light Savior(Anita).
Pyron wasn’t holding back or anything when he was defeated by Demitri. Pyron
just took a physical form of a human. It was actually Demitri who wasn’t using
his full potential when he defeated Pyron. Demitris real form is his demonic bat
form which he can only have in Makai. When in human form, his powers is limited.
Posted by Psycho Power J on 02:21:2002 01:30 AM:
Dark LordDragon: It’s unsure how strong Pyron is, but when he was in humanoid
form, he was weaker than Demitri. He restricted himself to fight the
Darkstalkers on their level, making it possible for him to be defeated. I’m not
sure about the being absorbed part, but he was defeated by Demitri and probably
dead.
I think that Jedah is using his true form and powers. He seems to have a liquid
body that could change shape as well as allow instant regeneration, which would
explain his bizare abilities. Of course he could resurrect himself as well. He
could also become stronger by absorbing souls. He created Majigen and the
Shintai to contain all the souls of the demon world. If he was able to fuse with
it when it contain a large number of souls, he could equal or exceed Berial’s
strength.
Orochi of SNK was based on an actual legend of the eight-headed Orochi Dragon.
However, in the game, his true form was just that, a powerful long-haired guy
who floats. He doesn’t get any stronger than that. And while he could blow away
all non-top tier SF/KOF cast, he certainly couldn’t match Berial and the Light
Savior in strength if he was defeated by Kyo and Iori. I don’t know about him
being the will of the Earth, but he was said to be a messenger of the gods.
So to sum it up, the Light Savior reigns supreme (since Berial appear to have
died). And maybe the Shintai if Jedah ever gets around to collecting enough
souls.
Edit: Demitri was using his real form. Just because he looks human doesn’t mean
he is in a human body. Same way with Morrigan. Just because she looks human
doesn’t mean that she is in human body.
Posted by Dark LordDragon on 02:21:2002 02:58 AM:
quote:
Originally posted by Psycho Power J
Dark LordDragon: It’s unsure how strong Pyron is, but when he was in humanoid
form, he was weaker than Demitri. He restricted himself to fight the
Darkstalkers on their level, making it possible for him to be defeated. I’m
not sure about the being absorbed part, but he was defeated by Demitri and
probably dead.
I think that Jedah is using his true form and powers. He seems to have a
liquid body that could change shape as well as allow instant regeneration,
which would explain his bizare abilities. Of course he could resurrect himself
as well. He could also become stronger by absorbing souls. He created Majigen
and the Shintai to contain all the souls of the demon world. If he was able to
fuse with it when it contain a large number of souls, he could equal or exceed
Berial’s strength.
Orochi of SNK was based on an actual legend of the eight-headed Orochi Dragon.
However, in the game, his true form was just that, a powerful long-haired guy
who floats. He doesn’t get any stronger than that. And while he could blow
away all non-top tier SF/KOF cast, he certainly couldn’t match Berial and the
Light Savior in strength if he was defeated by Kyo and Iori. I don’t know
about him being the will of the Earth, but he was said to be a messenger of
the gods.
So to sum it up, the Light Savior reigns supreme (since Berial appear to have
died). And maybe the Shintai if Jedah ever gets around to collecting enough
souls.
Edit: Demitri was using his real form. Just because he looks human doesn’t
mean he is in a human body. Same way with Morrigan. Just because she looks
human doesn’t mean that she is in human form.
All I know about Pyron that he takes his energy from stars and stuff, but I
heard at gamefaqs that he eat stars… WELL WTF!?
Is Beliel a light savior ?
Orochi was sent to earth by his sister, his true form is a dragon with eight
heads, that’s all I know about Orochi, so he is trying to make his sister
Happy… As I understand from you that Orochi’s power is limited…
I still don’t know how could Demitri defeat Pyron!?
Well one of you says Demitri was using his true form and Saiki said no, who is
right now ? Well I think he doesn’t used his real form, anyway… Thanks for
these informations, I like this thread… Keep going guys…
Ok guys why you don’t post your top 3 storyline bosses in fighting games: (Of
course without Beliel and the guyse that doesn’t appear in the game)
Here is mine:
1-Jedah
2-Pyron
3-Orochi