The NGBC Thread Version 2.0-Team tournaments in NGBC from here on out!

purifyweirdsoul · March 29, 2008, 2:46am

I don’t see what’s very dramatic about said drama…if it even is drama. shrug.

I don’t think I ever played Joey! MM next time I see you man.

Return_of_Shiki · March 29, 2008, 3:14am

So I was looking through old info, and found some of the valuable info divulged by Cajunstrike before the morons started ignoring everything that the good players were telling them about the game.

The NEOGEO Battle Coliseum Mega-thread

I really think Ryo should be higher. That bitch is insane. Unless he whiffs a C dragon, you cant barely punish anything he does. If he had a faster, long-ranged normal…he’d probably be A tier. He does mad damage without super, one of the fastest dashes, untechable throw that forces backturn.

Asura counters BIG and Marco fairly well. You really have to know Asura’s A and C arrow animations to get in.

That’s the thing about this game…
Hotaru: Well rounded, but must be close and gets beat by BIG
Kim: Even more well rounded, closer to even with BIG than anyone, but somewhat predictable
Marco: NO real anti-air, and susceptible to roll > whatever, loses hard to BIG if he gets close, Hotaru throws grenades back, must break throws on reaction versus Kim, hard time with Kyo/Iori
BIG: Best character in the game…**BUT has poor matchups versus a lot of mid tier like Robert, Washizuka, Asura, Mars People (kind of), Haohmaru
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Haohmaru: Hard time with Kim, beats a lot of the mid
Terry: Runs wild if not fighting a good anti-air/long-range ground game, good priority on st and cr C, which are also hit confirmable into B buster wolf
Kyo: One of the best jumpins in the game, close C is godly, good pressure
Iori: All the tools needed to win, really good C Maiden Masher
Kaede: Level 2 kills characters, good tools, but must be close or take risks that can easily be gcfs.
Robert: Ultimate juggle flash kick, practically 3 sonic booms on screen at once, good overhead that can link to super, easy DA combo, confirmable super cancels…would be a little high but cannot forward step -> move as fast as other characters because of the charge buffer.
Mars: cr A x 4 xx DA, great turtle, good pressure with far B xx C fireball, jump is REALLY high with a long range jump D which allows him to get above a lot of air-air situations.

Characters that lose to Mudman’s divekick: Hotaru, Marco, Haohmaru, Terry, Mars People

Characters that beat it: Kaede, Geese, Moriya, BIG, Hanzo, Akari

Terry can pressure with [close C xx B dunk break] repeat, but can be punished with a few lights and throws. Can also pressure with [close C xx hcf+k, wait, B dunk break] repeat. That’s a sneaky bait because hardly anyone realizes that Terry can cancel the close C into the run, stop the run, and then combo B power dunk.

This is just some matchup stuff off the top of my head. BIG/Kim team is strong, but beatable.

Throws are really good, and most hard to break. There is no grounded jump frame that be thrown (except for maybe with Shermie - more testing needed). Characters are invincible from throws on wakeup. Throws can always be broken.

An option select I use when being pressured is to AB step and then immediately hit throw. If they try to throw, you’ll break and at the worst reset the situation. If they attack you fly through it and get a fierce in most cases.

There is a small delay when tagging out and when coming in when characters can be punished. Don’t manually tag (or in some cases blow off tag), when too close to opp with opp in the corner. Be careful when trying to blow off tag because it can be baited by not attacking, which causes your character wait (ie, the delay), and can then be hit for free. You can also tick with a move, they tap E for the blow off, you blue cancel your attack to step through their E and punish for free.

There’s a lot of depth, people just gotta play.

purifyweirdsoul · March 29, 2008, 3:55am

Thanks Shiki, been thinking about that post during all this bs.

Return_of_Shiki · March 29, 2008, 4:02am

I’m now re-reading everything written on these boards for NGBC in 2006.

Ah, such simpler days…when the most drama we had was SieClayton wanting to shut up UltimateFaust’s “trolling”, and the debates about whether Tung was total trash or not.

Good times, good times…

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=3402554&postcount=2379

Yuna · April 1, 2008, 10:55pm

I love this game to bits and pieces, but you know…
I’m actually starting to believe the Big haters. I took on a really good Terry player the other day and slaughtered her Terry and her Kyo with one button.
:d: :snka:

System_1 · April 1, 2008, 10:56pm

Thats two buttons.

Yuna · April 1, 2008, 11:04pm

Nah.
One button, one directional input. I don’t count directional inputs as buttons, kthnx.

System_1 · April 2, 2008, 9:38pm

Did quite a bit of searching, but I can’t seem to find this set of matches someone poste dup a few months back. It wa sof a Yuki player making a nice comeback, and in another match completing beasting the opponent. Both were part of the same set of vids, anyone still have the links?

Dark_Geese · April 2, 2008, 9:40pm

Who was Yuki teamed up with? Ai?

System_1 · April 2, 2008, 9:41pm

I forget, they were from a while back though, at least 4 or 5 months. I believe they were part of a set of Japanese matches.

Yuna · April 2, 2008, 10:06pm

I’ve been fucking around with Nakoruru and Ai a lot lately. They’re both fun as hell, and Ai is so cute that I think her winquotes gave me diabeetus. It’s too bad she’s so impractical, else I’d play her really hardcore. Oh well. Back to Akari/Hotaru for me, with splishsplashes of Shermie, Mai, and Loli Goddess Athena.

CoosCoos · April 2, 2008, 10:10pm

Sounds like it’s MST you’re talking about. Just search for his vids on youtube.

System_1 · April 3, 2008, 8:51am

Yep, found the matches, thanks dude. :tup:

Yuna · April 3, 2008, 11:53am

I need to get a stick and re-learn this game. My Akari game has suffered from playing so much Smash…

System_1 · April 5, 2008, 4:54am

Question about Ai, what is the combo I see people do in vids where she rushes down with the OuroBouros super, I think starts with a low, which breaks their defense and then inot the combo. Not the infinite mind you, just what is the basic rushdown with OuroBouros to open them up, and what is the combo used after? Thanks.

Dark_Geese · April 5, 2008, 5:22am

cr.b,cr.a, df+c to hcb+p (bat) then the rest with the Joy Joy Balloon etc.

System_1 · April 5, 2008, 5:23am

Cool thanks, is that the basic goal with Ai? Rushdown with OuroBouros when you have meter in an attempt to break their defense? I’ll hit you up for the infinite when I get more of this down. :tup:

Dark_Geese · April 5, 2008, 5:26am

Basic goal is get them in the corner and land the infinite…thats pretty much her goal…

Thus its why shes low tier…Thats really the meat and potatoes of what she has…

CoosCoos · April 6, 2008, 5:52am

Basically, you build meter, knockdown, and activate orb, and then pressure.

If you get the infinite that’s cool, but most people will keep you out of the corner for it.

Take advantage of the high/low game you get from the orbs. If you watch some of MST’s vids, you can do a lot of life really quickly if you guess right.

Dark_Geese · April 6, 2008, 6:06am

I gotta think how to explain the timing…count like 1, 1,000, 2,1,000 3,1000 between the directional inputs