The New Yu-Gi-Oh Thread: Construct Joins Stratos in the Halfway House

[BullDancer]

@Saitsu So this list made Kozmo even better. Okay lol. Triple Allure so nasty. Simultaneously getting rid of a bad matchup. Lmao.

Also random maxx c hit that I saw coming even though nobody plays more than 2. And Wind up Magician is not at 3 despite Windups being far too slow.

[xEGAxBeastkingx]

Gonna start seeing a lot less Monarch and alot more Blue Eyes. As if I didn’t see them enough on DevPro…

[Saitsu]

@Saitsu So this list made Kozmo even better. Okay lol. Triple Allure so nasty. Simultaneously getting rid of a bad matchup. Lmao.

Also random maxx c hit that I saw coming even though nobody plays more than 2. And Wind up Magician is not at 3 despite Windups being far too slow.

Kozmos were a Tier 2 deck mostly since they were getting wrecked in Tops so not a big deal. One KDD though is a big deal if only because that means you can always keep track of where it is.

[VASaga]

Why is Kaiser Colloseum banned? LOL That is so random and unnecessary.

So long Monarchs, Kirin, Monkeyboard and Bank Destroyer…

This ban list is pretty good.

kaijus time to shine

[DiNyc3st]

Shinsuke is beyond godlike.

3rd in 2013
2nd in 2014
Won back to back after?

Jesus lol.

Also this ban list isn’t too bad. Monarchs getting fucked is saddening IMO but still a good list imo

[Saitsu]

Shinsuke is beyond godlike.

3rd in 2013
2nd in 2014
Won back to back after?

Jesus lol.

Also this ban list isn’t too bad. Monarchs getting fucked is saddening IMO but still a good list imo

He’s also only been playing competitively for four years.

If you do the math you’ll notice…that means ever since he’s started to play competitively he’s made Top 3 or better at Worlds every single year.

[DiNyc3st]

Shinsuke is beyond godlike.

3rd in 2013
2nd in 2014
Won back to back after?

Jesus lol.

Also this ban list isn’t too bad. Monarchs getting fucked is saddening IMO but still a good list imo

He’s also only been playing competitively for four years.

If you do the math you’ll notice…that means ever since he’s started to play competitively he’s made Top 3 or better at Worlds every single year.

Unreal!

This kid is smart!

[Saitsu]

Hmm Shaddoll Trains may actually have some potential in this format. For those who lament Construct’s exile, light the torch of rebellion and ride the rails.

[ZeonTheUnborn]

I want to jump on the hype train and play blue eyes, but after getting burned so much I might just take a break from yugioh for a while.

[xEGAxBeastkingx]

My Simorgh Lock deck is starting to get boring. I want to play something new but I’m not sure what.

[Saitsu]

My Simorgh Lock deck is starting to get boring. I want to play something new but I’m not sure what.

I went back to the ole Raccoons now that Paleozoics are out to help. You could honestly use a dartboard to pick a deck right now.

[Saitsu]

Herald of Perfection is back boys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKMRW4S_XiU

[Strike_Prime]

Not gonna lie but I’m really keen on running that deck until ABC comes out.

[Vhozite]

Dark Destroyer limit looks good on paper, until you notice Gold Sarc, Allure, and Kozmotown are all at 3 now. Even at 1 he is still absurdly easy to drop and get into play in tbe deck.

I actually think Kozmotown needs to be hit. Even if it’s only semi’ed, but its way too strong to be at 3. Completely tosses resource management out of the window and floats to another copy of itself unless you can banish it. And even then Terraforming is still a thing at 3.

Kaiser Coliseum? Yes let’s hit one of the most fair floodgates in the game.

Construct and Stratos still banned. Smh

I actually like the list though. RIP Monarch’s.

Edit: How the hell is Strike still at 3?

[Saitsu]

Dark Destroyer limit looks good on paper, until you notice Gold Sarc, Allure, and Kozmotown are all at 3 now. Even at 1 he is still absurdly easy to drop and get into play in tbe deck.

**You’re missing the point. It’s not about the deck getting to Dark Destroyer. Tincan makes that easy to begin with.

It’s limiting the amount of times it can be used and also telegraphing where it will be at all times. Now you WILL know where a KDD can be played from and how. Now you don’t have to worry about dealing with multiples at once. Trying to deal with one with say, Utopia the Lightning, only for a second to drop and stop that was extremely demoralizing. But now it’s nowhere near as much of an issue. There’s a saying. You can dodge a bullet if you know when the gun is going to be fired. Limiting KDD means most of its plays will be telegraphed and that’s plenty. **

I actually think Kozmotown needs to be hit. Even if it’s only semi’ed, but its way too strong to be at 3. Completely tosses resource management out of the window and floats to another copy of itself unless you can banish it. And even then Terraforming is still a thing at 3.

Banishing it became less of an issue since Cosmic Cyclone got printed, and as you said, Terraforming is at 3 on top of things like Tincan and Farmgirl. You’d have to outright ban it to truly be rid of it and it really isn’t worth that.

Kaiser Coliseum? Yes let’s hit one of the most fair floodgates in the game.

It’s out of nowhere…until you look in the future and see what it does with ABCs in the format. It’s a preemptive hit. Though honestly most if not all floodgates need to be banned as well because they’re just ultimately stupid.

Construct and Stratos still banned. Smh

Indeed…

I actually like the list though. RIP Monarch’s.

My responses in bold.

[Vhozite]

I don’t want Kozmotown banned, or Terraforming for that matter. But i feel like i should not have to pop that card 3 damn times in a row to be rid of it, considering what it does.

What other relevant spells or Pendulum monsters are worth paying 1k to banish? Scout and the Monarch trap? (Prime?). I don’t like the idea of being forced to run suboptimal cards just to out a clearly busted card. Kozmo’s become much harder to play when they can’t just mindlessly banish resources and easily get them back every turn.

Edit: If Kozmotown gets errata’d for a “you can only activate 1 Kozmotown per turn” clause, then I’d be fine with it. If I pop a field spell it’s effect does not go off. But Kozmotown circumvents this built in rule of the game by being able to replace itself from the deck TWICE, or it can search any one if their monsters to easily put an untargetable, floating, 2800+ body on the field.

To be clear, I personally think Tin Can, Farmgirl, and Kozmotown should all be hit.

I get the idea, but if we are hitting floodgates there are way better cards to hit. Vanity’s, Skill Drain, and ASF immediately coming to mind.

[Saitsu]

I don’t want Kozmotown banned, or Terraforming for that matter. But i feel like i should not have to pop that card 3 damn times in a row to be rid of it, considering what it does.

You vastly underestimate how annoying it is for Kozmos to actually get to the second and third Kozmotowns. They often don’t use Terraforming as it is now, Farmgirl is usually limited to OTK scenarios and will rarely search it, and Tincan risks it being milled. The first Town is easy, you get rid of that, the second and third aren’t too bad.

What other relevant spells or Pendulum monsters are worth paying 1k to banish? Scout and the Monarch trap? (Prime?). I don’t like the idea of being forced to run suboptimal cards just to out a clearly busted card. Kozmo’s become much harder to play when they can’t just mindlessly banish resources and easily get them back every turn.

**Qliphort Scout, Majespecter Unicorn - Kirin (ESPECIALLY now that it’s limited), Wisdom-Eye Magician, Sky Iris, Magical Abductor (which will likely see much more play), Archfiend Eccentrick, Phantom Knights’ Fog Blade, Metalfoes Fusion, Metalfoes Combination, Ritual Sanctuary, (in the future most likely) The Hidden City, and so on. I could really go all day with this. While you can get rid of the Field Spells at the very least with anything the others you REALLY want to Banish the second you see them. **

Edit: If Kozmotown gets errata’d for a “you can only activate 1 Kozmotown per turn” clause, then I’d be fine with it. If I pop a field spell it’s effect does not go off. But Kozmotown circumvents this built in rule of the game by being able to replace itself from the deck TWICE, or it can search any one if their monsters to easily put an untargetable, floating, 2800+ body on the field.

**Yeah…because Popping a Field Spell TWICE in the same turn on your OPPONENT’S turn for that matter is definitely something that’s viable and Kozmotown is ruining…

The only errata that you could do is to make it not search itself but yet again, you overestimate how broken the card actually is. There is a reason that even at essentially full power the deck barely topped in the last few months of the format and now it’s hit. The deck is not as strong as it seems.**

To be clear, I personally think Tin Can, Farmgirl, and Kozmotown should all be hit.

And that shows a clear bias against Kozmos as an archetype you hate and don’t believe should exist. Don’t get me wrong, I hate them too, but you are fucking NUTS if you think four cards in an archetype that barely tops should be hit. On top of that Farmgirl is a completely wasted hit if you know anything about the deck.

I get the idea, but if we are hitting floodgates there are way better cards to hit. Vanity’s, Skill Drain, and ASF immediately coming to mind.

Ignoring my own desire to ban all floodgates and looking at things objectively, Vanity’s and Skill Drain at 1 are not inherently unfair. Certainly not in an environment with so much S/T hate. Honestly I believe Vanity’s at 1 is perfectly fine. It’s easily dealt with. The issue with Vanity’s was getting around its own weakness and even abusing it by purposefully letting it destroyed to do more shenanigans on your turn, only to flip a second. At one, not really a big deal. Skill Drain is also much less annoying in formats where decks can’t actively abuse it as much. The closest would be maybe Blue-Eyes. Anti-Spell Fragrance I can agree with but as shown by Worlds if ANY floodgate can backfire, it’s ASF. It’s arguably the one Floodgate that’s only good in a winning position. If you’re even it isn’t great, and if you’re behind it actually fucks you over more than the opponent. Erik ended up outright losing Worlds on Game 2 due to his own Anti-Spell Fragrance. Sure it let him live more than a turn or two, but it was irrelevant when he couldn’t activate any clutch cards he drew. Unlike a Skill Drain, Rivalry or others, ASF doesn’t help you when behind. It just locks up the victory when you’re ahead.

Once again, responses in bold.

[Vhozite]

I wasn’t saying that popping Kozmotown twice in a turn is viable, i was saying that its dumb that i can pop it on their turn and they can use it again immediately, without having another copy in hand. You clearly know your cards better than me, but what Field spell or continous S/T can replace itself right after its destroyed on activation?

I don’t play Kozmo’s so i cant speak to how hard they are to use, but to me they are simply degenerate. But DD got hit to 1 and if i had to pick 1 card in that deck to hit it would be that.

Oh yea as much as I hate them Skill Drain and Vanity’s are fine at 1. I was just commenting that the reasoning behind Kaiser Coliseum’s hit makes no sense to me.

I tend to have different Yu-Gi-Oh opinions though. For example, I think the game really needs to slow down, Heavy Storm should come back, Pendulum Call was a good hit, and every generic Rank 4 (Lightning being first and foremost) should be nuked into oblivion.

[Saitsu]

I wasn’t saying that popping Kozmotown twice in a turn is viable, i was saying that its dumb that i can pop it on their turn and they can use it again immediately, without having another copy in hand. You clearly know your cards better than me, but what Field spell or continous S/T can replace itself right after its destroyed on activation?

**Sure, but Kozmotown is never back breaking on its first usage either. Compare it to Sky Iris or The Hidden City or Union Hangar. Kozmotown’s true value is getting value turn after turn. Besides, with your clause attached the ONLY vulnerable time Kozmotown would have would be in the initial activation to begin with. So going second against them it’s worthless and going first you need to have the S/T out immediately. Again, the only actual errata that could be done is make it not search itself but again…it’s not degenerate enough to warrant that when there are outs upon outs in the game right now to actively deal with it without causing it to float. **

I don’t play Kozmo’s so i cant speak to how hard they are to use, but to me they are simply degenerate. But DD got hit to 1 and if i had to pick 1 card in that deck to hit it would be that.

I won’t lie that they’re degenerate, and they really aren’t hard to use but at the same time they’re nothing more than “gatekeepers”. They’re what you have to beat to get a foothold into the meta but they themselves struggle mightily against the meta. For their entire existence, even when we thought it would be otherwise, Kozmos have NEVER turned out to be the Best Deck In Format and that’s because the archetype has very inherent flaws in it.

Oh yea as much as I hate them Skill Drain and Vanity’s are fine at 1. I was just commenting that the reasoning behind Kaiser Coliseum’s hit makes no sense to me.

I don’t know their true reasoning behind hitting it, other than a potential preemptive hit before ABCs come out. But at this point I’m fine with any and all Floodgates being hit. Also I wouldn’t call Kaiser particularly fair either. Just not as absurd as it used to be since there’s much more S/T hate and it’s a preemptive Floodgate.

I tend to have different Yu-Gi-Oh opinions though. For example, I think the game really needs to slow down, Heavy Storm should come back, Pendulum Call was a good hit, and every generic Rank 4 (Lightning being first and foremost) should be nuked into oblivion.

**Everyone believes the game should slow down, it’s just not possible at this point. The game has gone too far. It would require a total reset. At this point it’s just better to go to other games if the speed isn’t your thing, which is completely fair and most do eventually leave the game due to the immense power creep. Heavy Storm coming back would change absolutely nothing though. I mean the OCG has fucking Harpie’s Feather Duster and that didn’t change shit. It’s almost nigh irrelevant because most of the disruption in the game is monster based now. At this point Raigeki/Dark Hole/Slumber is doing a better job at being what Heavy Storm used to be. And as much as I’d love Rank 4 Genericism to go the fuck away…that’s more the moral of the point more than anything. Of all the top decks, only Pendulums actively use Rank 4s and they don’t even go that deep with the generic ones.

Hell the one you want gone most, Utopia the Lightning, is one of the things that makes Kozmos a MUCH easier matchups. Without Utopia the Lightning, these rogue decks like Herald of Perfection? They don’t stand much of a chance.**

[VASaga]

The game is decided within the first 4 turns nowadays.