The New MvC1 Discussion Thread: Is Marvel 1 considered bad?

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It depends on what you mean by that… The discrepancy from top to bottom tiers (e.g. Sentinel/Magneto down to Roll and R.V./G.W. down to… Roll) is fairly the same. Roll stands as less a chance in either to beat those monsters. If you mean by diversity on the character select screen? In MvC2, counterpicking is more linear, but I think less effective as the top tier is more diverse. It’s just rare that you see someone pick characters outside of 20% of the cast in MvC2, and you see a greater percentage in MvC1. That said, your “special partner” in MvC1 was almost always Coll/Psy/Arthur, and sometimes Juggs BUT IIRC his weakness was you only get calls. But for MvC2, I mean… You see they pick ROW, you pick MSP. They pick MSP, you pick SSClops. They pick SSClops, you pick Thrax. They pick Thrax, you pick MSS. They pick MSS, you pick ROW… Then you get into tiny details, picking against ROW is different than against RROW, and picking against Fiend is a task in itself, as it’s not a counter to IM you’re looking for, but YOUR counter to IM.

At the end of the day, I think winning on the character select screen is easier in MvC1 than in MvC2, mostly because of those small differences I just mentioned. A good “example”: RROW > MSP > ROW…

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nah, in hindsight magneto maniac vs jwong was not high level really. my first 6 months of playing mvc1 on ggpo and practicing it a lot i was better then anything they were producing in that mm, but it was hype though and kinda left field as mvc2 was the main thing everyone was playing of the Vs series.

i play mvc1 fairly often. sometimes weekly about 2-3 times a week, sometimes biweekly. if anyone here wants to play today or sometime, hit me up in this thread or pm me. i play on ggpo though, and if youre a macro keyboard player, dont bother talking to me. :stuck_out_tongue:

i think mvc1 is pretty fun, but it gets redundant after a while unless you have someone to just have fun with and play random teams. i have a lot of fun because i play wolverine and he just fucking mauls in mvc1. i also play spiderman a lot and strider, with sides of morrigan, gambit, ryu. i use to have a decent war machine but its lazy now. i can get the job done though. haha. but yeah if anyone wants to experience how it feels to get rammed in the ass by a good mvc1 player and good wolvie, i will gladly show you.

forget all the does this game suck or not, just play it and have fun. i mean its fucking free to play, or only 15 bucks for console. just enjoy it for what it is, and dont bother getting into arguments/discussions about it. its funner that way.

its 2013, the years of debating whether something is worthy of playing or not needs to die. im not saying dont tell this man why it may not be considered a good game, or points that are stupid about the game, but with so many options, and FREE OPTIONS at that, i say who cares op, just play, enjoy getting good at it and demolishing your opponents. if anything id rather you play it and understand why you do not like the game at high level play, rather then not play it and assume a bunch about it based off of other peoples opinions and experience.

i dont know, thats just me. when it comes to fighting games, i generally like to understand why i dont like something by playing it, and its so easy to do that these days. so if youre new and working your way around fighting games old and new, i say just go try them for yourself.

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As I remember Marvel one you had more variety in viable characters but then again you have to remember that the cast was incredibly smaller from marvel 2-3. So you could definately say oh spiderman is x y z and if you want to be optimal you want to do this, or if you use Red venom this, this, this. But again smaller cast everyone had something (except for a few characters).

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As was stated in the quote from Dasrik, MvC2 had 15 viable characters, MvC1 had 8 (and no, overall ratios don’t really matter). Also, MvC2 has more viable playstyles, MvC1 basically had chip, throw or infinite.

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Highest level wallet slam

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=pNNaMgHJYpU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U7posOwH7MM

shoutouts to using maximize instead of full-screen

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not any worse than Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter

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Bro, Gold War Machine doing War Destroyer over and over again was Hidden Missiles before there was Hidden Missiles.

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That is why i said if :coffee:
I think that there is a tactical/strategy factor of selecting a helper, but the way that the game evolved made them obsolete since there are more benefits on selecting 2 characters instead.
It has been really long since i played mvc1, so this could be wrong, but if they had some sort of ratio system were 2 characters are weaker than a single character with a helper i think that the idea could work.

A single character is not totally gimped of the benefits of 2 characters, but he has a more limited access to the resource keeping it balanced.

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But wasn’t that game pretty well balanced, outside of Wolverine?

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clown is cool but the guitar soloing zombie is DAT dude

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IIRC, that game is at fault of the misconception that balanced game = boring game

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Read up on the quoted stuff in d3v’s post, and got a tad confused.

What’s “pixeing?” First time hearing such a term.

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you’re kidding right?

rusty justin vs a guy who isnt even close to the top 8 of mvc1 players?

justin doesnt even duo in that set lol

@OP: MvC1 is a really fun game that gets less fun the better you get at it, and thats pretty much it :\once you learn wolverines corner uncombo and red venoms infinite setups that’s pretty much the extent of things. its not like theres a magneto doing craz superump cancels or sent reflying. which is why mvc2 killed the game

if you’re really interested in getting into the game though hit up ggpo. the players have a rep for being trolling shit talkers but if you ask questions they will answer you and play you

http://ggpoladder.x10.mx/

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Really fast RTSD. Honestly, Jay is actually only the second person I’ve seen use the term. The only other time was in one of Seth’s Dom 101 articles.

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“Pixie” was also used in Hive’s character profile in the Indiegogo DLC Character campaign. I think Pixie/Pixieing is mainly used by guys that actually played competitively in the 90s and early 00s, especially the Marvel vs. series.

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yeah, mvsf is i guess “balanced”, but wolverine is unstoppable in that game. if there was ever a definitive s tier, its wolvie in that game with no challenge. while the other Vs games managed to be the st of Vs games, mvsf is like the od version of that. short boring aerial combos, shitty whatever code characters, and it was just such a step back in hindsight. like its seriously atrocious. MVSF is the work of people who have no fucking idea what theyre doing in the bad way, and were probably taking advice from people in the fgc via irc and shit, but fucking that advice up and making pure trash, or taking their advice verbatim and fucking it up. lets not pretend like the era of dumb fucks just appeared in 09, and it wasnt with the then 15-18 year olds playing Vs games pre mvc2.

one of the funniest things to me now is hearing og stories, and niggas are like 4-5 years younger then me. im like motherfucker, unless you were some type of fg genius, im sure you sucked for an outlandishly long time before shit (especially on them shitty arcade sticks). another one of the funniest things about the fgc is the post daigo vs justin 3s vid, and the hate then for noobs. i remember seeing it on ebaumsworld and being like oh shit thats fucking dope, i missed that. then a few years later it was the 09er thing. im off topic, but really i guess im just saying, most of this fgc shit is a farse, most of these niggas suck, most were fucking children when the true golden era was happening, most again sucked for a while or still suck, and this fg shit is really always open for new folks when it comes to old games or new ones. fuck old folks telling you to not play anything old, new, or inbetween.

also in reference to assist. i forgot who i am addressing, but like when the mvc1 thread popped up a bit ago for the this gen release, i was like you would be shocked how viable many different assist are. i didnt get deep into it because im lazy, but yes col is the default go to assist, but i will maul the fuck out of someone with lou, unknown agent, there are unblockables with that one exploding assist, thor, jugs and sent are great but are limited to 3, saki, magneto. there are just a lot of assist to adjust to your playstyle that can easily fuck up peoples rhythm.

you cannot really pick random third or second character for unknown assist in mvc2 and not pay for it. yeah, thanos bubble assist is great, but its slow and you will get double snapped with the quickness. mvc1 actually allows you to have many pocket playstyles via the assist. i dont play the same with lou as i do with col. i go ham with lou and look for bad pushblock crossup setups. i just fucking go nuts with col, even if i know i will get hit. i know col is coming and you cannot stop him for the most part.

if anyone cares. hulk is a great character. dont be too intimidated by red venom, but a good one is gay. if you have good strategy, he can be dealt with no problem. dual war machines just make you pick certain teams and assist to make it easier, but its not so crazy you should quit the game over it at all.

im drunk. blaaaaaaah

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Do an infinite-mag,
Throw-mag, sent, storm
Chip like a maniac, cable, strider/doom, spiral

sounds like mvc2

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no msh vs sf is 100 times worse then mvc1, wolv is god tier in that game, every time wolv super jumps in MSH vs SF he builds a meter by mashing MP, then his infinite is just speed up super, hold down and keep tapping down FP
http://youtu.be/LulZYNNRKCA

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MvC2 has way more viable playstyles.

Rushdown, TOD/Infinite (Iron Man, not Mags since you want to reset with Mags), Keepaway, rush lockdown/trap, keepaway lockdown/trap, etc.