The New E.Honda Match-up Thread!

just thought i would add my 2c on the geif matchup.

-A blocked EX banishing flat can be ochio’d after the second hit easily.

-If gief is doing standing roundhouse to punish your nuetral jump fierce punch, hold back after doing your fierce and if spaced properly you will hit his foot and stuff his kick.

It’s actually better to maximize your damge with Cr.:mk: HHS xx HHS xx HHS.

^^^ too good

TGS announces SSF4 today I hope. I’m really excitied to see who they release and what is going to happen to the fat man.

Right now I predict:
His damage getting toned down.
Hands will get tinkered with.
He will get another Ultra. (Hopefully his 720!!!)
Making his Ex-Oicho have some invincibility on it.
I’ve also heard that SSF4 doesn’t play anything like 4 so we’ll be learning a new game once again! :cool:

This is going to be nuts! I can’t freaking wait!

u herd on teh rumor milz?

i spent so much time with this game…and i’m still struggling to get better…now i gotta learn a NEW game? uhhhhh

rumors are out.

soo… how does everyone deal with that green bastard blanka? (besides counter-picking ;] )

Not the old Blanka thing again.
cr.lp
Punish blocked balls with HP headbutt,
If he starts his mix up (which you shouldn’t let him in the first place) get the hell out of dodge anyway you can. ex HB or splash.
cr.lp
What out for his cross up rainbow balls.
Don’t try and cross him up / jump in on wake up.
If he early horizontal balls on your wake up it will cross you up, block and punish.
As far as i know lp headbutt doesn’t work as aa because his j.rh hits so deep.
oh and did i mention cr.lp?

Nothing to fear really blanka has a few annoying tricks but it’s just a case of figuring out a counter to each of them and once you do there’s not a great deal blanka can actually do that is safe for him.
Mostly ends up as a turtle fest.

And Regarding SSFIV.
On the one hand theres trepedation about learning a whole new game again.
But i know that a few frame changes here and there plus 1 or 2 characters wouldn’t give the game enough new legs.
Bring it on and lets just hope that some of Honda painful matchups are somewhat lessened.

i didnt think there was enough time to c.mk after ex banishing flat, i’ll have to work on that in training mode.

there is but it’s pretty tight.

if you can’t manage to do that consistently. cr.lp xx hhs is much easier for like 40 less damage. but cr.mk is the one you really want.

(also, cr.mk xx fp hb is easier than cr.mk xx hhs because you can double tap or plink the cr.mk)

After losing real bad to Josh P’s Blanka at a tournament a couple hours ago I really wanted to learn the matchup a lot more. I found out in casuals against another Blanka player that c.jab does real well against Blanka. Also jab headbutt is pretty good as it recovers fast when blocked.

Don’t even think of doing that butt stomp thing as a runaway against Blanka as he can punish. :mad: I guess my problem is trying not to get caught in Blanka’s mixups but that’ll me some time.

S.strong is a good poke against Blanka but it could also be bad because it trades a lot with Blanka’s normals. Otherwise Blanka’s normals are pretty damn good against Honda.

In the end I think this matchup is a pure turtlefest with whoever getting the 20%-30% health lead trying to build a wall of defense until the time runs out. Not one of the more entertaining matches based on my little experience but it’s good to know.

After losing real bad to Josh P’s Blanka and Dagger_G’s Guile in the tournament, I’m going to try and put a lot more time into this game whenever I have the chance. I was thinking of doing a counterpick against Blanka (Balrog) but decided I’ll just stay with Honda all the way till the end. :karate:

I placed 5th in the tourney which to me is pretty good considering it was my first ever SF4 tournament that I participated in. Win or lose, it was fun and the only thing I can do from here on out is to put the time into this game to get better.

Just remember c.jab…it’s your best friend. I just wish I knew that before the tournament started lol.

off to study the Blanka and Guile matchup If the videos do get posted on YT, I’ll post them up here in this thread. I don’t know what the hell I was thinking during those two matches lol but I really need to play more.

Anyone got any tips on the Guile matchup?

hmmm what was your butt slam being punished with

Since he said he was using butt slam to run away, I assume he was getting hit by blanka’s sliding cr.hp. If you’re getting caught up in his crossup, I suggest trying backdash.

I find the blanka matchup a little frustrating, too. You have to play really patiently - watch for the whiff ball, crossup rainbow ball, crossup/mixup shenanigans… and you can’t jump in due to electricity. Blocked ball is easily punished, so you can try baiting those out. Ultra chip is something they like to do, but ex headbutt can counter it on the way down. Of if you can survive the chip, just block and ultra.

I was playing a pretty good abel today online and when I went for a jump rh/mk, c.lp xx hhs and I could’ve sworn during the c.lp animation he ex tornado threw me. I don’t know if it was lag or if I wasn’t hitting the link on time. Has this happened to anyone or know if it’s possible?

Yeah, there was too much of a gap between your jump-in and the c.lp. If you keep him in block stun he cant grab you.

I figured, thanks, bomb avatar btw.

if you find yourself jumping in and hitting too early i found out that cr lk right after your first hit connects will combo without any timing and from there you can cr jab hhs

Anytime you can land c.lk after a jump-in, you can also land c.lp.

c.lk = 5 frames
c.lp = 4 frames

k so is cr lk cr jab a 1 frame link i do it quite easily

No,

c.lk > c.lp is a 2 frame link.
c.lk > c.lk is a 1 frame link.

c.lp starts up 1 frame faster than c.lk.