Have you been fallowing the tread at all?
I know the tread is long, but please read more of it before posting, you might actually learn something.
Have you done the CRT vs LCD stop watch test with multiple monitors?
Have you done the 60fps camera test at all?
How about CRT vs CRT just to check if the video card is sync on clone mode?
What test have you done?
How many monitors?
I’m hoping you actually did some test of your own…and not just post assumptions…
sweet!! the video seems very clear enough to count frame and see the actual input.
I’m still studying the video, but so far it seem on par on with my result with the ps3.
I’ll give more input once I finish analyzing it.
You’re one of the few who’s opinion I actually respect! plus you actually read the tread and very knowledgeable on the topic.
Yeah, I probably should have done it where I actually make contact with the character when doing the jab but I did the input multiple times just incase my finger was slow coming off the button and what not.
It really depends on the TV you’re using. If it’s a CRT, it won’t matter if you use a PS3 or 360. Although on an HDTV or HD Monitor, it’s much easier to gauge if the PS3 has more lag than the 360 although I haven’t seen any evidence of it yet.
Yeah I would have done the test earlier but I was just too lazy. The test is true, I wouldn’t make a video all messed up. It was hard getting the arcade stick and character on the screen at the same time since the monitor is on a higher level which kinda sucks since it’s a TN Panel and the top 1/8th of the monitor is semi-dark but nothing game breaking. Just gonna get a nice long flat desk for christmas to enjoy it more.
The special case with the VW266H is though that it’s a 16:10 monitor, not a 16:9 like the VH236 and VH244 models. Don’t remember the exact model #'s but they’re basically the 23" and 24" iterations of the Asus line-up with the 23" being the official Evo monitor. Since it’s 16:10, the image is stretched or something like that. I don’t know ask shinshoryuken or search this thread for vw266h and you’ll find stuff.
Has anyone considered doing what NKI did and wire up an LED light to a button to determine the lag more accurately? I’m kind of curious if not using an LED (to determine the exact frame you input a command) could make the results SLIGHTLY inaccurate. (Not that it isn’t MUCH better than using the stopwatch or RB2 tests.)
All I’m saying is even one frame could matter, a possible lag-free HDTV could show up as having a frame or two of lag, and it may not be true.
Dude… chill out. My comments only point out some ways to use a control to eliminate some of the weaknesses you yourself pointed out in the testing methodology. I don’t know what you are getting all worked up about.
I realize I could probably read through the remaining 72 or so pages I haven’t read in here yet and possibly find an answer, but this should be relatively simple (I hope) to answer…
Are there any recommended TVs/monitors in the 24-32" range, if basically all I care about is having as little lag as possible for games? I don’t watch much TV, and for what I do watch, I’m not that picky about it. More than anything I want to be able to have a TV that won’t be an issue in terms of gaming precision
Ah, my mistake. I went through the first 3 pages and the most recent 2 pages and there was no mention… went back farther looking specifically for “evo monitor” and found it on pg 71
Though I wonder why information like that post isn’t added to the first or second post in the topic, particularly to replace the Viewsonic link that is no longer available, and very expensive/large?
We’re in need of an Updated thread but I don’t think anyone wants to start one since they’ll have to keep updating it. That’s what’s keeping me from making a new one.
agree’d. Just need to compile the accurate information that’s out there and definitely mention the EVO monitor in the first post. Since some of the information in the first post is “outdated” i think linking to current sources of information in the first post would also be helpful.
So here is some personal input lag experience! I recently got a 42" NEC EDTV, and after months of research into the lag subject I thought this would be good for what i was looking for. As soon as i got home I used a CRT and did the input lag timer test with my camera. Sadly my lag numbers were much worse than i had hoped. Under 30ms would have been nice but I ended up with an average of about 54ms. I tried to think of a million other ways to test it and thought about different factors that could have caused my high numbers. I eventually just hooked it up and tried playing my games.
First of all, Playstation 2 through component cables to the 42" Plasma EDTV… looks fan-fucking-tastic. Since EDTV native res is 480p standard definition looks much MUCH nicer. So then there is the lag. The lag I apparently can *NOT *notice for the life of me. I play SFIII:3S religiously and have not had any noticeable problems pulling any of the combos I’m use to or parrying issues either. I also play a lot of shmups (DDP DOJ, Mushihime, Espagaluda) and i still can’t seem to notice the apparent lag the plasma has. So maybe ignorance is bliss or I fucked up my input lag test or there could be some other possibility. I’ll post some pictures in the future. Any thoughts on the subject are welcome.
I might start a tread when I go on my Christmas break. I still have people PMing me asking me questions about monitors, so might as well post a new tread compiling all my research and testings.
Used Rock Band 2 to test these two TVs this weekend:
32" Insignia NS-L322Q-10A. $399.99 at Best Buy. Average 70ms over 4 tests.
32" LG 32LH40-UA . $529.99 at Best Buy. Average 30ms over 3 tests. The manufacture date on this unit is November 2009. I know there was some previous talk regarding the quality of the parts being used in the newer units, so I thought to post this.
To try and account for human error, I also performed the test on a non-HD TV–a 32" Sony Trinitron KV-32FS13. Connections via Composite cables. Average 3ms over 3 tests.
Summary: In gaming, the LG wins hands down, based on the response time. But if I absolutely did not give a shit about video games, the Insignia is the TV to get. Out of the box, the colors were more vivid, the sound had a little more depth, the unit had more inputs, and the exterior did not feel as cheaply made as the LG, especially the remote control. The remote for the LG looks like something for a VCR made in the 90s. And a couple of smaller things to note: the LG unit that I purchased looks slightly tilted–I’ll need to fiddle with the base a little. And the LG doesn’t automatically mute “white noise” channels–which personally annoys me. The Insignia price tag also can’t be beat.
With all that said, the LG is what I went with because the primary use of this TV would be gaming.:lol:
What are some of the reasons people have been saying the Rock Band 2 test isn’t accurate? Actually I plan to test the LG 32LH20 myself using Rock Band 2 as well, and am just curious as to what kind of margin of error there is from the reported results.
