Oh God…I may lose my job over that! Tell me how the Asus is because i’m looking to buy it in the future.
The site used the following method to verify lag input on the Samsung F2380 and the Dell G2410:
In this test
We put the screen in clone mode as well as our CRT reference (tube screen), a Mitsubishi DiamondTron, in clone mode and time them with an accuracy of 1/1000 of a second. We then photograph them in order to find ten consecutive time differences.
What should I look for?
We give you the average of 10 delays as well as the minimum and maximum. In games, a delay of 16.7 ms equals a delay of one image, 33 ms equals 2 images, etc. The graph on the right represents the stability of this delay
Check out the comparision between the two monitors and the CRT for lag input
here : http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=88&mo1=541&p1=5964&ma2=36&ph=13
The Dell G2410 average input lag is 20ms and the Samsung F2380’s average lag input is 3ms.
Soo… looks like either one would be perfect for SF4 and other lag input intensive games, both are 16:9 and 1080p native with 1:1 pixel mapping…
I need to decide which will look better, the Samsung has a real world contrast ratio of 3267:1 and the dell is 1000:1 ( static contrast ratios, not dynamic).
Anyone have insight on either monitor??
Keep in mind neither of these screens have HDMI ports.
Also, the Dell’s review says that it has ‘under two frames of lag’ nothing special… not to mention the weird ghosting issues they reported.
The review for the Samsung looks much better, but they weren’t too happy with the response time. Whether you’ll notice it in play though probably depends on the individual.
I have been leaning towards the Samsung, with an average input lag of 3ms I think it will do nicely, I don’t think the blur will give me problems as I game right now on a Sony HDM20 lcd from 5 yrs ago!
No biggie on only having DVi as I am going to use a n HDMI to DVI cable, I am also going to get a GEFEN HDMI 1080p scaler as most LCD’s have very poor scalers and I am using the PS3 and 360 and most games are 720p so I want the Gefen external scaler to do all the work then send 1080p signal to the monitor so I get the 1:1 pixel mapping! This should be a good setup, what do you think??
http://www.gefen.com/gefentv/gtvproduct.jsp?prod_id=5284#buy
This scaler? Three hundred quid is a bit extreme. :s
If you decide on the monitor, test it out before you blow all that money on it, I’ve found that between scaling isn’t that big a deal, at least for the TN panels I’ve looked at (less than half a frame). The Evo monitor is a good example.
I think scaling to SD resolutions or interlaced/non-interlaced is a bigger deal though.
Yes, that’s the scaler! Both monitors have really BAD scalers, the 360 and PS3 would def benefit from an external scaler then have the image go to the monitor at 1080p. It will be the only way to get the best image possible on the monitor because most games are not rendered natively at 1080p.
I have no money or way to go around testing HDTVs is there ANYTHING that’s like 45(give or take a few) inches that will have full 1080p support and not lag at all no matter which resolution I use (480i, 480p, 720i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p).
For image quality perhaps, the reviews only refer to that and not lag when it comes to scaling. My main point is that $300 is a lot and you might not see any improvement in input lag at all, given that the scaler itself runs input processing routines. If you do get it, I’d be very interested to see results though. 
No.
If displays like this existed, there probably wouldn’t need to be a thread like this stickied.
Just a heads up for people buying or looking to buy tv’s, I did the clone test on my Panasonic PT-56LCZ70 56" 1080p LIFI HDTV and there was no lag =) I did the test in both native and lower resolution so it would upscale and passed with flying colors.
Can I ask what you tested it against? Also what inputs did you use for both displays?
Cheers.
GGawaran, I second the request for the test you used; was it the clock app ran in clone mode with the Panasonic and a CRT?
Also, what’d that TV run you, if you don’t mind my asking? I’m pretty sold on a Panny Plasma at this point :bgrin:
I was looking at the Asus vw266h, however something kept bothering me about it. It is a 16:10 monitor with 1920 x 1200 native resolution. The way I understand things, this means that everything 1080p that is put into it will be scaled, or (when set to 1:1) be smaller than the actual screen size with black bars around the picture. So I have been looking for another choice.
I picked up this Hannspree - 25" at Best Buy tonight, and brought it home to do some tests. It is a 16:9 monitor and has a native resolution of 1920 x 1080. It should fill the screen properly and without scaling when inputting a 1080p source.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9218731&type=product&id=1218061080695
I don’t have a CRT to test it against, but I do have the Evo monitor (Asus VH236H) so that is what I used. I ran the output of my computer through an Extron VGA splitter. The Hannspree looks like it is displaying exactly what the Asus is. I don’t know if it is a correct assumption, but I would guess they both have the same +/- amount of input lag.
If I am assuming incorrectly let me know, and if anyone wants some other testing I will do my best to oblige:)
Edit After inspecting the pictures more closely, I noticed that the spinning dial (on the left side of the screens) on the Hannspree is actually slightly ahead of the of the Asus. I would guess that this could be one of two things. Either the Hannspree has less input lag than the Asus, or the Hannspree has a faster pixel on->off time.
Asus is on top
Man that would be great if that was the same as the Evo monitor, I need one about that size.
I tested it against a CRT monitor with the clock app, and that TV i picked up on black friday two years ago for 800 after tax. im going to do a second test with guitar hero III to make sure everything pans out.
I just did the guitar hero aerosmtih calibartion test and got 0ms this test is accurate right?
No.
DevilsFang, that looks great. Can you do the same test with the monitors set to 1280x720?
Well the problem with that is that he is using a laptop in clone mode, so I don’t think it will allow him to use the monitor scaler when the laptop is showing the video as well.
i like it. don’t have any way of properly testing it, but had an online buddy use ken and tick throw against sim. i could reversal a decent amount of times including with the noogie (which has a shorter grab range than his throw). i could reversal spd with zang too (the kicker).
as for the look itself, the hp looked better and the quality ran smoother but of course the hp had the lag. for the asus, it looked like animation frames were missing during game mode but i was probably just tired and didn’t really have time to try things out that much. no matter what, the asus plays great and i’m keeping it. with another 150 bucks, 400 total (hdmi cable and tv tuner), i have a 25.5 inch hdtv that runs hdr without noticeable lag (for me anyway).
Actually, I am using an Extron VGA splitter to do the tests. I don’t have much faith in clone mode, it is just one more variable I don’t want deal with. I can do the tests @ 1280X720 tomorrow and I’ll post the results asap.
Why isnt it accurate?