hella boring? lol, what?
Yeah but what moves do you speak of when you say easily countered? If you throw out a reckless poke or whatever, what do you expect? Also, I wouldn’t necessarily say nothing for his air game. J.hp is a pretty solid air to air, so is his j.lp/j.lk, since they come out relatively fast. Akuma doesn’t really need a comboable ultra. His damage output is ridiculous as is.
There is nothing really wrong with his u2. It’s actually a great punisher in my opinion and found it useful in some pressure situations. The reason why everyone is sticking with u1 is because there is no real reason to change over. It is a great reversal, cancelable off any normal, works as an AA, great OS etc…
shit double post
Everything that made him really fun is gone.
low forward to fb fadc st rh combo you need to be at max range spacing which is impractical to set up in real play. So this being gone hurts his combo potential.
demon flip throw whiff recovery so no more option selects. That really limits his offense and “Vortex” game by giving chars a way out besides the already easy mode auto correct reversal and gives the akuma a way to be punished.
U2 is worthless since it doesn’t combo vs crouchers and when you teleport it takes away 100 pts of damage. It does 500 without the teleport.
ST RH combos on big chars are gone. Yea broken to some people whatever. I like long combos.
Akuma is still a good character and retains a lot but he feels bland to me now. Gouken is more fun than him to me imo.
Well fun is subjective and if you feel the changes has taken the fun out him him fair enough. I’m still having a blast though.
Well if you aren’t at max range you can substitute for combo involving the fierce punch.
Not true, you just have to use different OS setups. I personally use the palm strike for pressure now. Most of the cast can’t do anything about it and you can OS a sweep if you want.
Palm strike is now the way to go. Most characters can’t do shit about it and just have to accept the pressure. Once you have established that it leaves them open to the DF throw.
It’s true, U2 is worthless. I don’t really understand why since so many other characters were given very good second ultras. Some, like Rufus who already had a great ultra, were given a better ultra. lol
You have a good point. RH should not have been touched if they weren’t going to touch characters like Rog and Rufus. Why go after something that is “broken” if you aren’t going after all things broken? The SSF4 team is retarded.
Well I’m not sure how fun you will find Gouken when you have to deal with his limitations on wake up. However I say don’t give up on Akuma yet. Look to find new things that could be fun.
Akuma wasn’t win anything over here in Vanilla either, and he was ARGUABLY number 1 and definitely top 3. I think he will def be top 5 in Super at the worst.
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As said, all the best players in the US tend to use someone else.
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To continue off of that, these easier to abuse characters like Rufus and Abel expose the weaknesses of American players(inferior/panicky defense, bad footsies,etc). Rufus won more than Akuma in Vanilla over here. Was Rufus better than Akuma? No, he just put crappy American play on blast easier with far less effort. In Japan you can clearly see why Akuma is better than him, even if the results weren’t there HERE.
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People need to stop trying to be cute with Akuma and start learning how to win. I’m not excusing myself from that point either. Also, I’m not trying to subliminally diss ANYONE here. Just a general observation from watching American Akuma play since early 2009.
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See below
- Rufus
- Abel
- Akuma
- Ryu
- Bison
- Balrog
- Chun Li
- Viper
- Guile
- Fei Long
First 2 are in order, the rest aren’t.
Shin, Cammy can’t do anything about DF palm right? Just want to make sure it’s me messing up the timing.
Yes. However timing is tight. 5 frame reversals only give you two frames to hit them with your active frames and recover before you eat a spike. I personally need to hit training mode and practice this myself.
FYI, DF palm is godlike on Rufus. He can’t do anything but block, which is nice because I find many Rufus players don’t like to block. It’s basically free damage on antsy players.
Alright I don’t mean to start shit here but Abel is an easy to abuse character, to the point you can mention him in the same sentence as Rufus? That is a huge WTF to me. I’m interested to know why you think that way.
Akuma has some pretty awesome cheesy garbage too, that is easier to abuse than anything Abel is going to do. What can Abel do that will suck in any button press like EX tatsu? He doesn’t have any move like that, never mind one that is safe on block and does decent chip as well. Not to mention Abel has to predict exactly what you will do next to keep us his offense whereas Rufus and Akuma don’t need anywhere the same fidelity in their guesses to keep up their pressure.
While you do have a point that Abel has nothing and is nothing like Rufus in terms of ease of use and abuseable moves, I have to point out that ex tatsu is only useful on players who refuse to block.
Good stuff.
Which is why I believe he is still top tier. Akuma being easier to take advantage of players with on a mid/highmid level than Abel doesn’t make sense at all from my point of view.
that’s BS and you know it.
Shin, what characters can’t Akuma abuse his demon flip palm on? El Fuerte with U2 comes to mind. Ken too, or is the timing just tight like it is for Cammy?
^ I believe he can’t do it on himself, Ryu, Ken, and Sagat??? Could be wrong.
As far as I know, you can use it on 4+ frames reversals (like flash kicks, Ken’s MP SRK, Sagat’s 5f TU…etc), it’s not possible on 3 frame reversals like Ken’s lp SRK or any of Ryu or Akuma’s SRKs, timing is very strict on 4 and 5 frame reversals though.
any crouching jab in this game will stuff ex tatsu…shit, even some c.lk (Hakan is the first that comes to mind) stuff it.
You clearly don’t know what the fuck you’re saying about the ex tatsu. You’re right in saying that Abel has very few abusable things and has about nothing in common with Rufus from that point of view…btw, ex TT sucks in way more stuff than ex tatsu.
Yeah man EX TT will suck in back dashes and throw techs… if you want to have a debate about this you are off to a really bad start
hahaha fission mailed
Actually it’s not. Ex tatsu abuses you because you have an aversion to blocking. However against pure solid players who’s first priority is to block and backdash/jump/jab/whatever second it’s only a decent move that can punish crouch tech.
Anything with 4+ frames you can palm. However on 4 framers the timing is down to a single frame, so it’s super tight.
in this situation, totally not my fault. I just wanted to be civil for once.
I see guys like Daigo and Alex Valle using Ryu’s EX Tatsu to great success at the highest levels of play… is there some big difference between Ryu’s and Akuma’s EX Tatsu that I am missing? edit: you also missed the point of what I was trying to say. “As abusable” has nothing to do with you landing it on me. I was saying Abel has no single move that will suck up every button press as effectively and safely as EX tatsu can, to refute the (IMO, baseless) argument that Abel is somehow tied for being the cheesiest character in the game
Also if you think you are landing EX Tatsu on me because I have an “aversion to blocking”… you are way off base but thanks for the insight. Notice I was holding up for almost all of last night trying to bait a DF throw to see if I can punish it. Bravo on making it personal though.
This cracked me up for real. I just want to add that a Winnipeg “local major” has the same turnout as a good night at our local ranbats, and the level of play is probably lower.
Does that also apply to safe-jump roundhouse? Or do you need more frames for that to be a legitimate safe-jump in