I cant believe people are now bitching about me thinking Ken gave Aldo some problems. Yes Aldo did very good but some of you are acting like I said he almost beat him and I didn’t.
I really think you guys need to calm the hell down your all far too sensitive.
Aldo will not be able to keep up that crazy weight cut shit and it’s not as easy as Rock thinks it is. Aldo is going to have to get a US dietician (I think I spelled that wrong) or he’s going to start having fading issues like BJ did later in his career.
The diets and weight cutting plans in the US are SO FAR ahead of other countries it’s shocking. That’s why so many from other countries fight in their natural weights while most Americans don’t: they know how to avoid it.
Oh and Edgar ain’t moving down anytime soon. I don’t think Aldo wants anything to do with bigger wrestlers with good striking skills and much better chins than Kenny getting their hands on him.
I believe Aldo will and should avoid 155 as long as possible. If he moves up say goodbye to P4P imo.
First Kenny was locked unable to do anything at all in that fight and did no damage whatsoever.
Second it is that easy he’s a god damn profession not a fucking hobbyist leave the excuses with the guys NOT paid to do this.
Lastly going back to the Chael is the best grappler and to name one,none of the guys you name have that elite level of transition in grappling and Anderson fucking Silva who got grapple fucked by Chael so somehow better?
Come on man i had more hope for you then that yellow argument.
I make NO excuses for Aldo I’m stating a fact that he doesn’t have the proper diet coach yet and the one’s best suited for his type of situation all speak english.
That’s your opinion on the Chael issue and I disagree. Chael stays in guard in alot of his fights. He had a good night yesterday but you are going overboard. Chael was in Anderson’s guard for most of their title fight then got subbed. Where were those genius transitions then? If he is the god of transitions?
HOW is Chael a better grappler than Maia who took him down and then subbed him? Anybody who has subbed Chael recently like in the last 4 years I believe is a better grappler yes. Plus Paul Harris has a very similar game as Damien except with MUCH more power, Chael would be fucked imo.
Also all those guys have more finishes than Sonnen so how is he all of a sudden SO MUCH BETTER than them? I had more hope for you than bringing up the Andy fight to make Chael out to be this monster like those bandwagon Chael fans I hate so much.
Apples and oranges. Who forces the fight to the ground better than Chael? Maia has had more trouble getting the fight to the ground, but has better subs when he gets there, yet Chael has better control and takedowns. You can’t just go “lol sub finishes” and make a statement about someone’s overall ground game. I mean you could, since you clearly just did, but you’d come out looking like an idiot with statements like that. Something you don’t seem to be the least bit shy about doing.
Also that poster is way better than whatever else the UFC is gonna come up with, lol. Too good.
Ugh…I’m fine with every post of mine being taken super literal and no one liking m but this is getting goofy.
Im not saying just because someone has sub finishes they are automatically better but imo I think Chael is getting a little overrated in his grappling. You guys can keep reducing every thing I say to bare bones and make fun of it but people throwing phase’s around like “CHael is one of the best fighters in the world” and “Chael is one of the best grapplers in MMA” I disagree with.
Chael is very good I have said this at least 3 times now but I don’t think he is the best at all. So what if he can take you down? There is a very good reason he left the LHW division and it’s to get a size advantage that I have no qualm with but I believe he is one of the very few top lvl wrestlers in that division and it makes look better than he is.
Did couldn’t do what he does in LHW because there are better wrestlers there and I don’t think he could in WW either. All my opinion and I don’t see as that far out there.
Funny, that was my argument when someone (think it was the same Sherdog kid, but I have a feeling you took the same side since Nick Diaz boned someone close to you or whatever) said Condit was better than Diaz at Jits. :lol:
Chael’s grappling game is good. His ability to finish with submissions is not. It has shown improvements, though, but then so has his overall game.
It is absolutely hilarious to list Anderson Silva as a better grappler than Chael Sonnen.
I remember this and I was saying that Condit has just as good or close to Jits. I never said it was better. Kow and I were saying that Condit brings just about everything that Diaz does except NBK brings the threat of KO power with one punch that Diaz doesn’t.
I still think that argument wasn’t very far fetched either. Condit is just as dangerous and imo MORE dangerous of a threat to GSP than Diaz is. Especially because Carlos has trained his wrestling better.
Edit: And stop with the sherdog crap. I rarely EVER post on there and was here first.
I lurk and that’s about it. How long has it been since you’ve been there? There is rarely anything worth posting about there. Mainly because you can’t go 2 minute without someone with obvious bias showing up, that forum is a daily facepalm.
If your idiotic ass thinks I’m dumb the people there now would make you crazy.
Forces fight to ground and good control doesn’t equal a better/best grappler, especially when anyone with a good triangle seems to tap this guy out. He’s a great wrestler yes, he may be the best wrestler atm but not the best overall grappler when he has a huge hole in his game to anyone with better than average submissions. Anderson, Maia, and everyone who finished him with a sub is a better grappler because guess what . . they won with their grappling skills. :eek:
Chael hasn’t won with his wrestling? Careful there…
And Diaz would get taken down by a spring breeze, he’s free to good wrestlers. You can’t say the same about Condit. You could come back and say “well Chael is free to triangles!” and be right, but Maia doesn’t have the wrestling to get people to the ground if their takedown defense is on point. So take your pick there, I guess. If we can somehow get Chael to defend basic submissions, I’ll take his boxing and dominant wrestling over what Maia brings to the table. I might pick Chael to lose to Maia straight up only because I think he’d fight the wrong fight (boxing + TDD instead of wrestling Maia would win him that fight imo) but I’d take Chael over a lot of people that Maia would likely lose to. So suffice to say that they both do different things really well.
Yeah I agree that theres quite a few guys Maia would lose to and Chael would beat but all that proves is why MMAth doesn’t work “fighter x beat fighter y and his next opponent is someone fighter y already beat so fighter x wins hands down” just to see fighter x get creamed by said opponent. Chael would beat Maia in a boxing match but the td is to natural for Sonnen if Maia catches him with one good combo Chael will shoot and Maia would tap him out no doubt.
And yes diaz weakness is strong wrestlers but that says 1 of 3 things. Diaz has an overrated ground game (which I don’t think is true) or those wrestlers have good sub defense or it was just a display of LnP.
Now that’s something about Chael I like, he never just lays in your guard and that may be why he’s prone to getting subbed he’s an active SOB, always looking to punish.
I’d like to see Diaz against a decent wrestler now to see how much (if at all) he has improved his wrestling (or at least TDD and recovery game). It’s been six years since he was LnP’d in the UFC. I still think it can happen to him with someone like GSP, of course, but I’d like to see him rematch some of the people he lost to, to see how far along he’s come.
That’s why I’m not as much as in a Penn/Diaz fight as I’d like to be. It’s probably going to be a better fight but I’d personally like to see my questions on Diaz’s supposed improved wrestling answered right now.
Yeah I’d like to see him rematch some guys he lost to before. I think a fight with Sanchez would show how much he’s improved, and I think it would be a very different fight with Diaz winning.
I know this is coming from the #1 SRK Diaz hater, but I dunno where you can find evidence to say that his wrestling defense has improved. Strikeforce wisely kept him clear of any real wrestling threats, seeing as they had so few marketable fighters. Which is funny, given Diaz’s complete lack of understanding of how marketing yourself as a fighter works. Things like, SHOWING UP FOR WORK and all, too complicated. He just wants to punch people. I wish him the best of luck with that once the UFC cuts him again lol.
Back on topic though, if you can show me some evidence that would suggest he’s improved his wrestling defense other than “it’s been a while, I bet he’s worked on it in the gym! Cesar Gracie dojo son 209 mothafucka!” then I’d be willing to hear you out. Diego isn’t my favorite fighter either but I say he does exactly what he did last time to Diaz.
I never liked Diego but I actually believe he has improved more since the first fight than Diaz has. Diego beat the first time with just size and wrestling but now he knows how to throw a straight punch.
I actually think Nate will have more success in the coming years than Nick will.
