Standing HK is decent, but not good enough to the point where it wins me over…its not ryu’s standing HK thats for sure. Oh aside from a better cross-up and jump-in he does have a reliable super cancel from a normal now…that’s about it folks lol.
Who decides the tiers though? I don’t agree with his placement really. Fei is much better than the low tier in this game. And even then better than some of the mid. As far as non fireball characters and non rufus / balrog / zangeif… I feel like he’s the best character in terms of physically attacking people. It’s just that the top 5 or so give him some trouble. But really only Sagat and Geif are bad matchups. I feel like he has the tools to win, it’s just up to you to apply them.
The majority of the characters whom are within his peer in regards to rankings have far more versatile uses for ultra’s and in most cases far more effective offense and defense. Fei doesn’t have any safe specials and his pokes are regulated as irrelevent since fei is the 1 needing to play offensivly, there is really no need to a opponent to intiate agaisnt fei. That isn’t to say that I think he is useless, he isn’t 3s sean by any measure but he is still far from what I would consider a effective or “good” character.
I think he does well against certain mid-tier characters (Gouken and Dhalsim are the most obvious ones to me) but I don’t think he’s “better” than them.
I’d say he’s exactly where he deserves to be. If nothing else, maybe the very bottom of mid tier, but that’s only one place anyway.
I mean do you guys really have that much trouble getting in with him? I do feel he’s got a lot of defensive tools for a rush down character but pretty much my gameplan is to stick them in the corner as fast as possible (not hard with rekkas) and just keep them there. He’s very good at containing people there I think and his offensive options get much better there, so I think that’s probably the way he should be played when it’s possible.
It’s not like he’s that bad mid screen though. Yeah rekkas are unsafe when you space them incorrectly but I rarely have that problem anymore. Every now and then they get punished when I’m trying to do rekkas from block strings but max distance cr.LP > LP rekka is safe usually. It would be better if they were safer and CW could do better hitting lower sooner, and I think he really does need a way to combo ultra if he ever wants to see true tournament success but other than that… maybe give his EX command grab armor or invincibility and he’s set.
One thing of note though, I think Fei does have to be played very reactively and also at times you need to take gambles. Some of his best mix ups are unsafe but if you choose the right time to go for them it’s not a huge risk, and with a good read it’s more in your favor anyway. If you’re a slow player that likes to have a solid plan of action and stick to it… Fei probably isn’t for you.
In the past the only character that’s kept me from winning tournaments has been Sagat so… with Sagat and Ryu coming down and Lariat being easier to deal with, I’m not really scared of any character anymore.
Hrm, well I don’t think I have played any “good” Fei Long players but the ones I have played I had no problem getting out of the rekka chicken wing trap. But I also played characters who have good options for that.
What character do you play / where are you from? If you do online and we have a decent connection I’ll be happy to play you.
Well I played Ken and Vega, cause I like pain. But I would love to get my ass handed to me by a good Fei player, but I warn you I am not too good really. Mostly my execution sucks. I’d like to blame it on not having a stick but since I am worse with a stick in general…I’ll pm you my tag.
Do you mind whipping something up for me?
In dimentions 160 x 60 and 100 x 100 <----(I want to use that one on another forum)
I will have your kids if you do! :bgrin:
I was thinking about using this picture.
http://biggcaz.deviantart.com/art/Fei-Long-revisted-138818555
Think you can come up with something awesome? Too bad there wasn’t a picture with a Fei in blue. That’s my color.
Back on topic:
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Fei will suck.
hahahah that picture… I don’t even know how the guy moved like that. Shit is picture perfect though.
Yeah I actually debated using that pic off deviant art before… I’ll go throw something together. That’s the third request tonight I’ve had after getting this new av lol. Do you want eye lasers or no?
Sure!
Could you give me a blue themed Av with blue lasers? 
here you go, enjoy! I think it turned out pretty awesome actually:
Pretty much what I do, too. I throw in tons of mixups and try to keep things varied, as well. Lots of focus.
Like I’ve always been saying – my primary issue is that he doesn’t work. Doesn’t matter how good his offense or his defense is – he’s one dimensional because so many of his tools are dysfunctional. Once you sort out the few things he can do, he’s a piece of cake. Look at the more complete characters and they have one of two things: either a) they have an innumerable number of setups and options for any given situation against any given character such as Ryu or b) they’re so stupidly powerful in the few things they can do that they don’t need dimensions (YOUR FAVOURITE WORD!) such as Zangief. Sagat’s got both. Fei has neither.
It’s not like Fei has any glaring weaknesses per se (except his ultra), though I will say that a zoned Fei is a dead Fei every time. It’s just that you don’t have a lot to work with, even when things are going well. I often win matches early on but as the matches wear on, the tally swings the other way. Not so much because I’m predictable, but because I’m literally doing everything Fei can do. The only things that keep me from being really good are my shitty execution and my sloppy fundamentals. By the time I’ve shown everything I can do, my opponent’s really only halfway through their shenanigans.
My only gripe is mainly his damage output, he’s what i consider a high risk, minimal reward type character, he just can’t dish out that much damage - his mixups aren’t monstrously strong enough to really fear guessing wrong, I sometimes feel its more a guessing game for myself - I have to guess which mixup/setup I should do to ensure I don’t face the consequences, it’s scary because if the opponent guess right once, he is going to punish you dearly.
Kinda reminds me of ling xiaoyu in tekken of whom I main where her mid/low mixups are less than rewarding and risky or so heavily obscured that the opponent can just ignore the other option.
On tiers and Fei’s placement
Well, there’s SF4 for the top tier and SF4 for every other character as I see it.
Everyone compares to the top tier and the top tier are top for a reason. However if you take away the top 5 or 6 characters, you have a surprisingly balanced if not perfectly balanced game.
I mean have you tried it? I play a lot of player matches where we go without picking top tier characters and the game is surprisingly balanced. There is a decent scissors, paper, rock mechanic without being so over-powerful that it detracts from game play.
It would be interesting to hold a tournament where top tiers are barred from use.
Thank You. I agree 100% Fei is not low tier. The eventhubs tier list is not the end all, say all and there a lot of people posting here that at first, I gave the benefit of the doubt but now I’m wondering how many of you actually know what your talking about. No offense. Fei’s sweet spot is still around mid/fierce rekka range and mid range is where he HAS to be against characters like Ryu and Sagat. If your rushing in close…your doing it wrong.
Also Comparing him to his ST self is retarded. No character in SF4 is like their ST self. Fei’s standing far HP would stun if you his someone 4-5 times with it. If he had all of his ST normals exactly as they were, he would be broken in this system.
Seriously, if some of you guys are having trouble playing Fei, I’m starting to think that it isn’t the shortcomings of the character. Besides Sagat and Zangief, I have never lost to someone and simply felt like Fei was outclassed in this game…ever. He will still be competitive in Super, if not moreso. His biggest weakness is that he has NO COMEBACK factor. Give me HK CW 3 hit juggle capcom and Fei will instantly be better.
i dont think he is that shitty. i just hate that every fight is up hill. i dont mind a challenge, but its very taxing mentally to know that your margin for error is slim in almost every fight. it would be nice to have some matches where you can really feel how much you are in control.
its hard to describe, but when i pick up character who i dont even practice with, like rog or ryu, or honda, i can feel that mental wieght being lifted. even when i know im fighting a lesser opponent with fei, i still have to really concentrate to get wins
Outside of Sagat and Gief, i find high level Blankas very troublesome to deal with especially if they feel like turtling. I would fight Sagats and Giefs over a Blanka any day.
double post
I know Ive done a lot of moaning in this tread, but I do think that Fei is a good character and I DO have a long way to go untill I can start blaming the character for losses, but he does do a LOT of work for little damage. After a while that starts to get annoying. Online is a great example of where good (best of my ability) Fei long play just isnt worth the effort with one DP FADC Ultra leading to losses that really should have been victorys, especially when Fei could have landed a DP FADC Ultra 6 times in the same fight, but alas he lacks that as a viable option.
Guess I just need to up my game :china:
:mad: urrrg just lost to a Cammy who’s stupid Ultra when blocked gives her enough rebound to be hit (edit: with feis ultra) with the first hit before blocking the rest… lesson learned. Im guessing dash then Ultra in that situation?