Hold on a sec you’re forgetting something; the water wasn’t clear, if it was clear then the message was true, but because it wasn’t the situation changed.
Non the less you are correct on these Others lieing, but now I think they’ll start opening up.
I’m not so sure about that. I’m not certain Rousseau’s crew was affected by the same thing. Their behavior was in contrast to Claire’s. Whatever they had planned probably involved killing her and using the water, but they seemed more like the regular others than to me.
I thought the poison was to get rid of the “darkness” growing inside him… and not actually kill him.
just a guy who crashed his balloon on the island. i’m guesisng the others killed him when they saw his signal fire
they were building the runway for the ajira airways plane to land on which brought people back to the island
sorry for double post
i think the mechanic that helped kate is more important than they let on. the guy playing him is a pretty big actor and i don’t think they’d bring him in just for one scene like that. maybe he’s someone who helps people get where they need to be in the flash sideway?
Some things I’m not clear on at all. Maybe someone here can shed some light.
In season 5, they went to pretty great lengths to show that there is only one timeline, and whatever they did in the past was destined to happen, and had already happened when they had lived in the present. For example, Charlotte had already spoken to Farraday as a child, even though he hadn’t gone back to that point and talked to her yet. Basically, whatever they did in the 1970’s was already taken into account when they had been living in the 2000’s. Desmond being the exception, with the power to alter the time-line before universe auto-correction.
This separate time-line breaks entirely from that line of logic and makes this show very difficult to follow.
Also, before time-travel was introduced and the shows central plot was about babies not being able to be born on the island, was this ever resolved in any way? It feels like they just completely bailed on 3 seasons worth of nonsense in favor of the more interesting time-travel element.
Oh well, I’ll still watch it through to the end, cant quit now.
they never really explained the baby thing. i’m guessing it has to do with “the incident” since people were born on the island before it (ben, ethan)
Just because things in their time line are ‘predestined’ doesnt mean that their decisions didnt create alternate timelines that were never shown. I have to assume the new timeline being shown is only because someone from it will cross over. It really cant just be ‘here is how things would have been if they never crashed’
I think that makes the most sense.
It’s probably Juliette experiencing something similar to Desmond after the hatch blew. They both got exposed to serious amounts of…whatever kinda electromagnetic energy that site emits, and his effect manifested as spilling between time periods.
Juliette on the otherhand could be slipping between realities. Considering that we’re seeing this new reality, but three years ago, we still have plenty of time to see Juliette jump between before she has to meet her fate in episode 1. This is of course how she knows “it worked”, as OJuggernautO said.
That’s just it; Said would be like Claire and the French crew; but he hasn’t become like that yet. It is also possible that he would be possessed and still act like he isn’t.
@Lumbro1- The alt. timeline that they flash to may very well be the timeline that will happen once LOST ends; think of it like…Crisis on Infinite Earths >_>;
Ben wasn’t born on the island.
I don’t think you understood my post. I’m saying Claire is not like the French Crew.
Ben was NOT born on the island. It was just another lie to make him seem special. The baby thing is a direct result of the statue of Tawaret being broken.
Apologies about that, but do you mind elaborating on the differences please?
@Doctor- It’s Taweret, and thanks for reminding me about that, I was wondering why babies couldn’t be born on the island.
Thanks for the correction. I have no idea why I wrote temeret.
It has been made clear that the statue of Taweret was broken before the survivors arrived in the past. So how could Nathan and Aaron be born post destruction? I just don’t think thats the direction the writers were going in. The others should have been aware of what was causing those deaths if it was because of that statue.
By the way. LOST seems to be going in the direction of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics. This basically says that every decision leads us into a different universe. Each time a choice is made the time line forks. Many worlds is just basically a way for physicists to resolve the conflict between the idea that the universe is determinate and the idea of person freedom. What happened did happen. Well it’s better to say it has always happened and can’t be changed; however, you can direct which “universe” you end up in by making a choice. Desmond seemed to have the ability to see into these many worlds and pick the direction the survivors went in. It was unfortunate but Charlie seemed to die in all of these worlds. That is why no matter what Desmond did, he kept seeing Charlie die in new ways.
You can see that when Juliet activated the bomb, there was no way the survivors in the past to exist in the same universe that the island sank. They were either “pushed” back into alignment by the “universe” with their previous time line or the island did that to fix the conflict.
I think what lost has done here is… something different. Now, it took ME a while to properly think about this, so bear with me
Okay, we have the cannon time line, where most of the cast is right now. We’ll call that the “Present”. There’s also 1980, where the bomb was exploded, where half of the cast was part of the Dharma Initiative. We’ll call that “the past”. And finally we have the what if time line that we’ll call “alternate”.
In your typical time travel show/movie/comic the time travel has or can have an effect on future events. For instance, the paradox created when the Terminator went back in time to destroy John Connor was in fact the very event event that ensured their existence, thus, it SHOULD be impossible. The future’s event’s being dependent upon the future’s actions. Not really feasible, albeit entertaining. The other thing we’re all used to is people traveling to the past being overly careful not to step on any bugs or fuck their own mother’s. Ignoring the rules of “if it didn’t happen, it can’t happen” in a linear, “believable”, time travel belief. There are some other alternate reality thoughts out there, but they’re less than credible and highly unlikely, once again very entertaining.
What Lost has done is a fusion of all 3. People from the "present’ who were thrust back into the “past” with knowledge of said “past” who had always been there without their knowledge, willfully explode an atomic device, thereby CHANGING the history of the “past” that they know to be real and factual. However, being that there was no prior recollection of a bomb exploding in 1980, it could not have possibly happened and our cast are instead brought back to the “present”, where no bomb was every exploded at the Swan sight, just as they remember. However, at the same time the explosion in the “past” that couldn’t have taken place DID, in fact, take place. It sunk “the island” and destroyed the electromagnetic power source that originally crashed the plane in the “present” and SHOULD have prevented the bomb from ever being exploded that sank the island in the first place.
This is NOT what happened. Instead, the bomb exploded in the “past” triggered an effect with the electromagnetic core of the island that created a terminator like paradox that can only be explained by another reality being created by the explosion. There are, however, some inconsistencies with this theory and can create some… complexities. with the “alternate” time I have yet to even WANT to think about.
yea except the statue is shown broken in 1974 [so it happened before then] and ethan was born on the island in 1977
how is that possible if the statue is responsible?
She was pregnant BEFORE she came to the island. Seems fairly obvious.
Yep. Clare had Kate with a +9999 regen + invincibility + shell with jboots on while wielding the Unstoppable Force in that episode. The woman is beautiful. :tup:
He would have been there already and he already was a doctor. What I want to know is if there are still Others and if he is with them in this alternate universe. Presumably to kidnap Aaron.
Which my mean that someone else was in the cabin. Nice one. :tup:
I don’t think the electromagnetic field was destroyed, if you remember episode 1 the plane experienced a lot of turbulance.