Can someone translate the damn thing so those of us not japanese can read it? I thought they were matches played, if it’s a discussion of matchups I’d really like to read it.
Someone posted the translation in order on the first page. Just match it up. And why would they be matches played? That wouldn’t prove anything. :xeye:
I disagree with a few matchups (I don’t feel that Chun vs Dudley is equal, among other things), but for the most part it looks pretty good. And you’re taking tiers way too seriously, this is probably the most detailed list we’ll ever need. The rest is filled in by player skill. You know, that little thing people have forgotten about?
I care alot more about WHY they rank things as they do than their rankings themselves. That’s what the rest of the page is discussing, and that’s what I’d like translated 
alex is mid tier. if he gets you down its over. well almost over. do you guys know how much hp flash chop into hp german suplex does after stun? he’s crazy =.
so? Q can do some monster damage and hes 4th on the chart, defensive tools, pokes and good confirms into (or just extremely safe) damage are what really really matter
alex cant hit chun-li for shit and his damage is nowhere near amazing, and please tell me when you can possibly get off an HP Flash Chop into Suplex in a real match? thats right, almost never.
of course he cant do shit to chun. every lower tier characters have their bad matchups. notice how i said after the stun is when u land the hp flash chop into hp suplex.
but i agree Q is good too. i have no clue why he is soo low, his taunts are godly too.
EDIT:alex’s power comes off when u stun the opponent, and his normals and EX moves do good damage too.
I think there should be a locked and stickied thread with just this picture, it’s translation, and a giant “STFU IT JUST DOSN’T MATTER!!” tacked on to it for good measure.
“he has shit priority and can be easily outzoned, and his primary damage comes from either a clap or command throw, which requires on top of someone. he has a couple good pokes but nothing astounding.”
Priority is DEFINETELY not one of Hugo’s problems. How many other characters can poke with Chun Li? One thing you gotta remember about his pokes is that Hugo has huge range with them, so his “pokes” are more like mid ranged attacks by normal standards. And his pokes such as his lk also set up his attacks.
And as for outzoning Hugo, he can also easily outzone others… you can’t go for 360s all the time with Hugo, at mid-range you have to remember that he can be played as a “poking” character and nibble off on life as he looks for an opening.
Another point is that no one can run for ever. Assuming that you can block and parry extremely well, eventually any character in the game has to come in for damage… you don’t have to try and run everybody down…
Edit: Oh yeah, if you want priority, I forgot to explicitely mention Super Art III. That move has all the priority you need; it beats out at least 80% of the supers in this game.
I can see SA1 Hugo being one of the worst characters on paper (not considering intimidation and psychological advantages) but SAIII Hugo is Definetely better than Q.
One thing about that Japanese list is that I definetely think it exaggerates the differences between characters… Out of the whole cast, there are only five characters that don’t have a 7-3 match… Everyone else has a counter match, including Chun Li. With the parry function, I doubt that the differences are really that big at a high level.
That’s it. Official, most accurate, done. Period. End of story.
Tiers are not based on player performance. Because so and so placed high with Twelve and Q does not change their tier. But it should encorage others to use said characters and not write them off ‘just’ because they are low tier.
Kalypso: There is no ‘god tier’ in 3rd Strike. Chun and Yun are clearly top tier, but not unbeatable. God tier insinuates an overpowered character that can be abused so bad they are overpowered/unbeatable. Example: Shin Akuma in Alpha 2. There is no such character like that in 3rd Strike (save for Gill, hence why he isn’t playable in tourneys).
My thoughts exactly.
As for the Yang/Akuma/Oro argument…here’s my take:
They are all Mid-Tier…with the exception of Oro, who is just slightly above them.
IMO, Yang is too weak to really pose as a consistent threat. He really depends on his EX moves to deal decent damage. I mean, i like him as a character, but i wouldn’t feel to confident with his lack of damage potential.
Now, as for Akuma, we all know he has poor defense. However, a good Akuma with a good offensive rush-down will abuse turtlers and break through to them. He’s still decent to play with, and a bitch to play against sometimes. But i honestly can’t rank him any higher than Mid-Tier, since he is at a disadvantage with his stamina.
Eh, I never meant someone was unbeatable, obviously, since I’ve seen ALOT of tourney vids and I see more makotos win them than yun, mostly because pyrolee’s the only american yun that really does it right. Lots of makotos.
Anyway, sorry on the god-tier comment, I’ll remove that.
I treat so-called “Tier rankings” as very subjective Overall Rankings, sorta like the ones found in Sports games (ie. NBA Live, Madden, etc). These ratings apply to players which are pre-ranked and rated based on their performance from last year.
I mean, just because the Lakers have Kobe Bryant (Rated 100…according to NBA 2k5) don’t make them a better team (2k5 rating: 78, i think).
The same thing can be applied to 3S or any fighting game. Just because you’re using a low-tier character doesn’t mean you’ll lose, and vice versa. (Mid) Tiers are for the most part, subjective. (With the obvious exception of the Top tier and the 12/Sean tier).
Edited in the Japanese rankings, as they really do look pretty acurate.
Largest Contested Placements:
Ken High to Top
Yang High to Mid
Urien Mid to High
Necro Low to ??
That’s what I think people will say anyway, personally I’d like ol’ hugo a bit up but everyone says he sucks so w/e :o
lmao at the thread title
No offence, bu you obviously did never play a really good Yang.
As I said before, he’s not a character for everyone, but
- he doesn’t depend on EX since normal slashes are good
- he builds meter fast anyways
- he doesn’t deal huge damage in a single blow, WHATEVER, half the cast can do nothing about his constant pressure (again, you probably haven’t player a really good Yang player so you can’t understand how he can literally freeze the opponent with little to no chances of retaliation), so he’s gonna land the slashes a bazillion of times, and probably stun you in the meanwhile - many forget that Yang is actually good at stunning.
- unlike Yun, he is a constant treat. Sure he doesn’t have bs damage+priority with genei-jin, but he’s not divided in 2 “phases” like Yun (meterless and activated) and has a better ground game. Playing Yang as a Yun-lite is retarded, but that’s what most people do. A properly played Yang is quite different.
You obviously have never played a good Yang.
Yang’s ground game is fucking scary. He can link slashes and Ex Slashes off of EVERYTHING, and I do mean everything. You can play him safe and just use frame advantage to catch someone and link the slashes, dealing good consistant damage. His Senei Bu (er whatever it’s called) can be setup many ways to deal nice damage (though it’s no Genei Jin) and his SAII is pretty much just for EX meter.
Yang would be a better character than Yun if Yun didn’t have Genei Jin.
IMO, Yang is above Oro, then Akuma.
As for Arcadia ranking Hugo below Q, I don’t know how they are figuring that. Shit, Q is my main, and I’d still rank him below Hugo. I would put Hugo above Remy, Necro, Alex, Q, Twelve, Sean, but that’s just me.
My theory for Hugo being ranked lower than Q is that they don’t figure in SAIII Hugo… That version of Hugo can be played very similar to Q, with taunts and everything, and IMO he out Qs Q in a lot of ways.
However, virtually all the people in Japan pick Super Art 1 Hugo, rely on parries (because, let’s face it, a high level player probably wouldn’t see the advantages of picking him unless they knew how to parry) and probably haven’t developed his all around game to the point and level of the other characters… So he probably seems worse than he is since the good Japanese Hugo players probably don’t develop his overall game or play him in a “balanced” manner… I mean he may by no means be the best one in the game but sometimes he is ranked between 12 or even Sean… Now that is crazy talk…
Another thing is according to this list, virtually half the matches in this game are 7-3 or 8-2… Come on now, the game is not THAT unbalanced! Maybe in theory but not in real world conditions…
That’s a rather large assumption you’re making.
I’m not so sure about that. Hugo’s taunt is much slower and doesn’t give as much defensive bonus per taunt as compared to Q’s.