The Jesse Ventura, I mean Haggar Thread (MvC3)

im not sure if this has been talked about but hulks gamma wave assist eats projectiles for breakfast not only that it goes through stalker flame and hits dormmamu getting rid of stalker flame…my jaw hit the floor when that happened…it also takes 3 hits of flame carpet…wish it got rid of it though

^Interesting.I thought a team of big slow characters would just be a joke, but hey, FamilyMan made it work somehow.

I’ve been having more success with Head butt lately. It seems better than Pipe! Of you need to swing the pipe a couple of times to make them fear it.

The move comes out faster than pipe. I also like counter hit properties air-to-ground.

(air-to-air) head butt, land, s.:L: picks them off the ground. If you hold Up-Forward, you can option-select an air throw into Haggar Press.

You are better off jumping forward and then holding up+back instead so you can block stuff.

I’m starting to really like Hoodlum L in blockstrings. You end up in their face with enough frame advantage to jump over the most common response to blockstring pressure (mashing Cr. L lol) ready to give them their daily dose of lead.

How do you guys deal with sentinel? His air normals and launcher > pipe. His zoning game (especially with any doom assist) is also really tough to deal with.

^Sentinel doesnt have much to stop you from using cr.H to roll past all of his projectiles and Dooms missiles/beam.Use that to get in.Open him up with instant overhead headbutt.

my biggest problems right now are tron’s jumping h…and wolverine being wolverine…any suggestions…

Trons jumping H is easily beaten by pipe, seeing as you can easily calculate the path tron is going to take if she is to airdash at any instant.

Tron J. H is beaten by all sorts of things. Just push a button at the right time and you will beat it. L, Cr. L, M, Cr. M, H, S, Pipe, Lariat, and Snapback all should work. Some are harder to time/space than others, but I would stick to Lariat if you are really worried about getting hit.

I tried looking on the front page for my frame data thread only to find it got moved to a random page (18 for my settings) in this thread. I don’t see why it got moved when this thread is super disorganized (there isn’t even a link to anything useful in the first post) and crap like “crossup with dat pipe” is still on the front page. You can’t find it unless you do a search on the Haggar forums and other forums have frame data threads so the change just doesn’t make sense.

man i was going to go to guard crush on wensday and im like…man look at all those wolverines and phonixes…man im going to get crushed in the the first round…

Haggar doesnt do too bad against Wolverine because you always have the threat of lariat to anti air divekicks.I guess it depends on your opponents assist though.Wolverine teams without a projectile/cover assist I tend to do pretty well against but if they have drones or something its real tough.I’d probably put Taskmaster first against a wolverine/sent team just to snipe the drones assist. Headbutt is your best air to air normal against divekick if i recall.

Also, my advice to you would be to just go to GC. I’ve seen the stream, and those tournaments look like really good places to levelup.What have you lost by going?

Also a new topic, does Haggar have any death combos off of a lariat on hit XFC cancel into combo? Could be an effective way of killing off teams quickly with Haggar if you have a good mixup on your opponents way in aftwerwards, much like Wolverine style lvl 1 XF usage.I dont have a stick to test stuff out in training mode as its being dual modded at the moment.

Yeah he can death combo without meter too unless they have like 1.2+mil and your assists suck

XF2/3 kills anyone
Lariat/VioAxe, XFC, J.:h:, :u::h:, :l:, :m:, :s:, :m:, :m:, :h:, Pipe, :h:, :s:, :m:, :m:, :u::h:, :s:
XF1 (assist dependent) 1.05 mil w/o assists
Lariat/VioAxe, XFC (assist fits here), J. :h:, :u::h:, :l:, :m: (use assist 1 by now), :s:, :m:, :m:, :h:, Pipe, (assist 2) :h:, :s:, :m:, :m:, :u::h:, :s:

That XF2/3 combo you posted with XF1 enough to kill Wolverine without an Assist I believe

i know this is really going to be really hard to pull off but you can larriet through the dark phoniex explosion animation and then level 3 grab after…timing is a bit tough, they have to be on the ground and you have to be close to them so good luck with that…trying to find something because i keep getting my entire team manhandled by phoenix

I noticed a few interesting things about Hoodlum Launcher that are pretty neat.

The first thing is that Hoodlum Launcher lowers the hitstun decay more than regular launchers, which opens up some more combo possibilities. Basically when you do Hoodlum Launcher L in combos instead of :s:, your moves will have more hitstun.

Another funny thing is that you are invincible while you are grabbing/throwing them. You can also block any stray projectiles/assists when the invincibility runs out by holding upback too. So if you see Tron/Doom assist coming you can still combo into Hoodlum Launcher and avoid taking the hit.

When you kill a Phoenix that has 5 bars with Hoodlum Launcher, she doesn’t start the transformation until the hitstun from the move ends (or you DHC glitch out). This means you get a little bit of time to set up and also forces her to transform at super jump height.

hoodlum launcher L beats alot of hulk stuff it even beats gamma charge which i find hillarous.
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can i ask you guys a question i run haggar iron man and wesker…and if i land a combo with haggar i can kill anyone with like 920k or less in one combo problem is once haggar dies iron man drops out and he becomes a free kill…i tried running haggar taskmaster and wesker and while i feel like im doing better with this set up im not able to do as much damage as i am with with haggar iron man wesker team should i stick to my guns and keep iron man on the team for massive damage or go for taskmaster who is a better character overall

What is definitely the best place for the Mayor when teamed up with characters such as Wesker, Akuma, Dormammu, Hulk?
Would you go for:
Hulk/Haggar/Dormammu or Hulk/Dormammu/Haggar (Haggar alone seems to be a bad idea especially when you are already running out of X-Factor)
Hulk/ Haggar/ Wesker (as you can create unblockable moves by jump attacking with either Hulk or Haggar and calling Wesker’s assist at the same time)
Hulk/ Haggar/ Akuma (Akuma is definitely a beast when played in X-Factor 3 and with 5 full bars!! Messatsu!!)
Hulk/Haggar/ Sentinel (drones or rocket punch seem to be extremely helpful)
Hulk/Haggar/Iron Man (I like to bother my opponents with beams)

Thanks in advance to all Hulk and Haggar lovers!!

Im playing Haggar/Hulk/Skrull, but thats probably not such a good team (but I like it ^^). But you can get a good DHC Glitch going from haggar to hulk!
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And I think that the Hulk/Haggar/Wesker team would be the best IMO, for that OTG assist and lvl 3 x-factor Wesker.

Thanks Jenz0r for the video. I can’t leave one of my two favorite characters. I wish Venom was there too to have my “chest of steels” dream team!! with a dangerous character like Wesker or Sentinel, I wonder if my opponents will try to snap in my third character asap…That’s why I love wrestling!!

Could use some advice – what do I do against Sentinel? lol. I can’t find what Haggar’s instant overhead is, if I recall correctly it’s j.headbutt (delay) j.S c.L cM -> combo… any other tips?

can’t find your videos in the first two urls?