Just submitted another application to Zibatzu.
Maybe my biography isn’t impressive enough. I don’t have “Defeated team of Anakin and Fab in three straight” on there or anything…
You know I’ve heard that about ten thousand times. From bar owners… night club operators… restaurantuers… and many… many… MANY a website/forum runner. And 100% of the time that line has come from people without the quantity.
This game is DYING for some sort of active forum with easy to disseminate, back and forth-style information. Someone can ask a question and… in the case with a game this complicated, 20 or thirty alternative solutions pop up. And then 19 or 29 people (respectively) who thought they were answering a question learn something they didn’t know before.
What better place for such a forum than Shoryuken? People come here to find news about tournaments and watch streams. So why isn’t this the number one forum for EVERY fighting game?
Cause most people on here r in love with capcom games. I have to admit the tekken forums here r kinda dead I go to TZ forum but I dont have an account there, mostly all the info I need is there already. Youtube can also be a gd place 2 look
Yes, this is mostly a Capcom site. We got lucky and 13 pushed real hard for TTT2 to have its own main section.
Regarding the game’s supposed desire for a forum for information, that’s essentially what Kor’s Tekken Academy is. Static forums are not what’s hot and poppin’ for Tekken kids these days, and I guess that’s fine, but that’s what people are into. They want that fluid Facebook environment and that’s where they all are. What’s more is that even if we wanted to make SRK the place to go for Tekken, we’d need more backing from knowledgeable players than we have now. We have Galen and DashKid and a few others, but we don’t have that really solid concrete spine of knowledge and experience to hold us up for the really complicated or lesser-known things about the game, its characters and its systems.
Ok… So why don’t you get it?
Why not dig up NYC FAB and Anakin and Kor and… that dude that Fab plays against all the damned time and ask them to drop by every now and then?
They can get a discussion started and attract more users.
I mean it’s not like Shoryuken is entirely unheard of. They already know the site is here. What’s to stop you guys from just asking them?
EDIT: FightingGM! That’s his damned name…
As much as i think the face book thing is innovative i think traditional forums information is better immediate responses amp for sure but i like the pace of good old fashioned forums better
the facebook thing seems more like a chat room
eh but thats jut me being stubborn
i actually do think this site is a good place for tekken discussion
also the streams help
the chat for streams with tekken in them are surprisingly… helpful
Seriously? Go back to the main page for ttt2.
How many “Last post: 3 months ago”, “Last post: 1 month ago”, "Last post: A REALLY LONG TIME AGO"s… do you see?
As Yannick said what you mainly have here is an archive of historical information… not any real discussions. (Besides the one we’re having right here of course.
And I don’t buy just SURRENDERING the entire discussion of TTT2 to Kor’s little facebook thing.
That’s just a cop-out.
I mean Kor’s thing is awesome but Facebook and their little timeline SUCK at organizing all that information. I made a post there yesterday and it took me 15 minutes to find it two seconds after I posted it because it was buried under a bunch of other stuff.
Yannick is also ignoring the fact that Capcom forums seem to be doing just fine. Shoryuken already has name recognition… now all it needs is star power… which I think they could get just by asking for it.
I should have worded it better
i meant the site should be a good place for tekken dissucussion
I like the forum format
I hate watching Tekken streams because I like my streams fullscreen, but the Tekken chats are so educational that I can’t ever watch a serious Tekken stream without also looking at the chat and having my notebook on standby. This is why I love streams that also stream the chat so I get my learnin’ and my fullscreen goodness.
When it comes to the rapidity of our discussions, it’s definitely in spurts. There are some months where we’ll be talking about some heavy hitting stuff and some months where there’s not many posts to be found, that just seems to be the way it is here. Is that healthy? I don’t really care, to be quite honest; I can usually get helpful information here when I need it. Does the nature of discussions here meet many other users’ needs? Probably not, which is why we’re talking about this right now.
Regarding things like the Facebook Tekken Academy, you don’t have to buy it per se, that’s the reality of the situation and you can choose to completely disregard it if you like. Calling it a cop out is a little hasty, I think, it’s not like we still don’t discuss things here. Let me break this down very easily so you can see why things are the way they are real quick.
The people who like posting on the Facebook group like posting there because of the almost instantaneous consumption of information. As is stated, you post, you get an answer and, if you’re lucky, some followup discussion. You get received immediately and, for a time, what you have to say or what you think matters. Because of the nature of Facebook, behavior that you would find on other forms of media due to anonymity are gone and this kind of adds a slightly more…honest (?) factor to the discussions.
The people who like posting on forums like SRK or TekkenZaibatsu like posting there because of the availability of information referentially. That is to say, it’s not so much about the current conversation (although those are important), but more about the fact that, some time from now, you can find that conversation easily and also examine the context under which the conversation is taking place (extremely important). Depending on the forum, there are things like posting etiquette and enforced topic organization, which is especially appealing (although these features may not be universal across the forum [SHOUTOUTS TO ASUKA FORUMZ @ TZ HOLLA BACK]).
So that’s why people who like those respective forms of media like them (generally). If you don’t like one, that’s fine, but you have to realize that tons more people do. And we’re dealing with it. Does everyone prefer one over the other? Not particularly, otherwise we’d be having this discussion on Facebook probably. Keep in mind, this is just why people prefer a certain method. Let’s not forget the factors that can essentially push or even force people into one particular side even if they don’t like that.
Tekken players are older, generally. What this entails is having less time overall for personal endeavors, so more time working, more time with a family (if applicable), more time handling dat adult business. What this then means is less time for games, less time for Internets, less time for lower priority items. What time serious older Tekken players have available to them is mostly spent playing. Here’s where they can branch out, now. Most Tekken players are older because they’ve been playing the different iterations in the franchise very early on, so they’ve grown up with it. Those players you can find having contributed to forums in the distant or recent pasts, but maybe not so recently just because the nature of this game builds on itself such that it’s complete legitimate to have a scenario as follows:
“What are good moves for Character X?”
“Well, clearly move1234 is amazing.”
“I mean, I guess I checked out that move in training mode, but nothing stands out to me. Got any tips on what to look for?”
“Dude, isn’t it obvious why the move is so good? It’s great, 'nuff said.”
Well, not really. That is, unless you played Character X all the way back in Tekken Z and move1234’s little nuances haven’t changed through the years even though the move seems completely vanilla otherwise. An older player tends to know these things just because of how long they’ve been playing, meaning that they don’t contribute to forum traffic as much since they usually just refer to the forum for information. In contrast, players that lack the time to do the research can always just hop into Facebook from their work machine, laptop, mobile device (important) and get a quick answer without the rigamarole and time lost. The Facebook format cuts out the search time if you just need that information that you can’t or won’t look up otherwise and YES, the search time can be pretty significant depending on what you’re looking for!
As for the younger cats, they’re on Facebook anyway. As far as I can see, if I’m at Point A and can get someone to give me information there or have the option to travel to Point B and research the information for myself, guess which one is easier? We can go into the discussion about the pursuit of knowledge and how sacrifice in some areas makes someone a better player et cetera and I will agree with you on all of that, but this example is what people are doing right now. That’s the reality. Let’s not even talk about the good players. They’re busy 1] being mods on other sites 2] getting their own game up 3] getting their other situations right. I’m thankful so much for the ability to get to ask Galen questions here (and I still have to take him up on a training session I requested when I get a mic for my PS3) and that’s partially because I know time just isn’t there for everyone to be everywhere for everyone. Also, while I hate this particular reality, another factor to consider is the fact that low volume spaces are not attractive. Go look at the forums or comments sections for any server-based online game that relies on a persisting population that differs between servers; whenever the game offers server moves to balance server populations, the majority of comments you’ll see are people saying “consolidate your low pop servers and move people into higher density areas…nobody wants to move to a low population area.” We could ask talent to come here, sure, but it would be more of a lecture than a discussion at first until people hear about what’s going on and the traffic picks up and this is in an ideal situation.
As for the players here? Guess what…you might not see them here posting all the time, but you can find them doing what most Tekken players are doing: PLAYING. Dudes like Hyunsai and DashKid and Timmo are online all daily trying to get their game right with experience, which is INVALUABLE in Tekken. Yeah, you can say, “How much effort does it take to come onto forums once a day?” but even if everyone who played here came and posted just once a day, you would see an increase in activity, but the chances are incredibly high that the level of activity would still not be enough to satisfy the users who prefer forum activity to Facebook activity. That also is just the reality.
When it comes to ignoring the fact that Capcom forums are fine, you’re right…I am ignoring them because they’re really irrelevant to the conversation at hand. You want to know the real reason Capcom forums are doing “just fine”? You have hundreds and perhaps thousands of players who play Capcom games and don’t even like them. Just go into the Marvel or SF4 sections here and count out the number of topics about how “bad this mechanic is” and how “gay character abc is”. Capcom has so many players who play the games just because they have numbers. Capcom forums are fine because they have all this fodder. I’m not hating, I enjoy Capcom games from time to time, but I’m keeping it 100, that’s just what it is. Look at the Marvel 3 stream and commentary thread…half of the people who post in there (sometimes tens of times in a day) don’t even play the game, but just watch and comment on it. That’s it. Is that not mindblowing for you? It is for me. But that, again, is a reality. While not everyone is completely in love with Tekken (the people who play it, that is), Tekken is a very lean game in the sense that Tekken doesn’t have the “fat to cut” that Capcom games do. Very few people who don’t like Tekken still stick around and they are absolutely not even close to a vocal majority…they’re barely a minority, if that much (I would classify them as a non-factor, but they’re still people and exist so whatever). The people who give Tekken forum traffic (or Facebook traffic) are the people who are in there…Capcom traffic can be just about anybody talking about anything, to be real with you. That’s just the situation as it is.
What I think is going on is a paradigm shift. You can see it in the way people are feeling a reboot for the Tekken franchise if Tekken 7 ever gets made. The way information is disseminated for this game is almost archaic when compared to how other games operate and how their information is shared by their playerbase. People want more instant info and, whether you or I like it nor not, that’s just how it is right now. You don’t have to like it and I don’t have to like it, but we have to notice that it’s happening and adjust to it. Are forums good for information? If it’s organized, yes. Is Facebook or other fluid media good for information? Only in the context of a concurrent discussion, really, but yes. Maybe there’s a way to integrate them OR maybe the next game we get won’t be so reliant on what can essentially be described as fossilized data that never gets reorganized or refreshed.
Anyway, that’s what it is. At least, how I see what it is.
When did I say Jun was a clone? Talking about Bears, Roger/Alex, Capos, Lees, Bobs etc.
well with the bears I have to agree, with the capos though Christie’s size makes some combos that eddie has whiff that’s their difference. with the bob’s Slim bob’s belly and certain moves are more safe than normal Bob. Lee’s only have a few moves that are different, and I believe it’s the same with Rolex.
3 different moves on the movelist doesn’t change the fact that it’s 98% the same character. And BTW you got the Bob ones wrong. Slim Bob is overall WORSE, (as with all the console exclusives) with shorter jabs (making the B&B way harder), worse ff+1+2 and with the belly having MORE recovery. You just need to dash in before you punish with hopkick or else you’ll whiff.
Slim bob has a better sidestep game that’s really about it. And I know Slim bob is worse than normal bob. Also I haven’t found many of the Console exclusives bad, who in particular are you talking about?
I think he’s just saying that, in general and overall, clones are just not “as good” as their counterparts. Some of the tools that clones lost were replaced with things that are mostly not as good, but I personally don’t feel that clones are so much worse off than their originals that it would make too much of a difference. I think the one clone that people have come to almost a consensus on being better than its counterpart is Miharu, and even that is debatable because even though she got something that Ling would die for, the stuff that she doesn’t have that Ling does really makes that a toss up.
yeah That’s true.
IMO I don’t think it is that big of a deal. The player just needs to know what they are doing if they want to win…
Although… The only clone teams I do end up playing are Ling/Miharu or Jaycee/Michelle, but that is a rare occurrence.